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    Just to clarify, but did the other floors use triangulation and anagrams then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kurlock View Post
    Just to clarify, but did the other floors use triangulation and anagrams then?
    The anagram and triangulation clues are present on the other floors, but people found other clues led to dig sites more quickly. That was one reason I dropped that G-Y-R clue about Utah - I assumed I had been overthinking things, and that the solution would not require that degree of complexity. Your solution really was more direct, so the G-Y-R becomes merely good supporting evidence, in my mind.

    But the authors have said some floors would be more direct than others. Since these last three floors are proving to be such interesting challenges, I have tried to look at all the available evidence. Unfortunately, the evidence for several state solutions (on Floors 12 and 9) remains strong in my mind, and more "digging" is required. They have done a good job of sewing ambiguity!

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    I have been thinking that the image in the snapshot on the website, with its emphasis on the blenders, might mean, "Imagine Whirled Peas". (We could also run the amagram of "Imagine World Peace," to see if there's another clue.)

    Here's one possible solution:

    Imagine Whirled Peas =
    Area: Dinghies Whimple -->
    Rowboat Habit =
    Habitat or bow -->
    Abode or bend =
    Bb Adored Eon -->
    Beloved Age =
    Above Ledge.

    Seems like a clue about the area of a dig site can be found above a ledge on Floor 12. (It might also mean that the real world dig site will be above a ledge, but I don't think so.)

    There are several things that could be described as being "above a ledge". The sets of test tubes around the room, the jar on the side of the chimney, or the flue itself. Maybe also the blankets and pillows above the bed? Or maybe it's a reference to the things that stick up above the top of the walls of the room - the ladder, hourglass, mortar & pestle, bed linens, emergency shower, toilet lid, maybe even the rope?

    I had another clue from Floor 12 that led to "flu," and I interpreted it as a reference to the chimney flue on this floor. There are fireplaces on Floors 10 and 1, but the flues are not shown in Gus' drawings of those floors. So he made a point of including it here.

    If "flue" is the correct answer to "above ledge," the Periodic Table may represent a further solution. You can spell "flu" using the F from Fluorine (atomic number 9) and the Lu from Lutetium (71). But that spells the kind of flu that is an illness, not part of a fireplace. So you might have to do a slight anagram, using Iron (Fe, 26) and Lutetium. Are the numbers 26 and 71 hints about the area where the number will be found? I don't see any rest areas on Interstates 26, 71 or 97 that leap off the page and cry, "This is it!" So maybe the periodic table approach is not the right one.

    Perhaps more successful is another anagram:
    Fluorine Lutetium =
    Turnout Elf Milieu

    Remember how Dodge asks whether elves live on the 4th Floor? This clue may be telling us that the dig site for the Floor 4 solution will be at a turnout instead of a rest area. (Or maybe we will find confirmation of the Floor 12 mile somewhere on the 4th floor?) This could explain why Animal Painter started seeing Tennessee hints on this floor. I wonder whether there are groups of three floors (a triangle!) that provide clues for each other. We just haven't needed them for the first 9 solutions. I have found at least a couple of Floor 9 clues on this floor. (One referred directly to the "septet port," so I am fairly sure the clue is not intended for Quello's apartment).

    The word "mile" has been a guide word in other anagrams, and can be pulled out of the original "whirled peas" clue as well. Here's one possible solution:

    Imagine Whirled Peas =
    Mile: A Regained Whips -->
    A Taken Back Belts =
    Backseat Blanket =
    BB A Tackles Taken -->
    A Gears Hauled =
    Area: Lead Gush

    The possible solution in the last line caught my eye because it seems to refer to the lead bars that are near a waterfall in Klobberduck's apartment. Is it telling us to relate Florida to the Floor 12 solution? Something about a pond? Maybe "tropical" is the correct response? Maybe it's telling us that community around the dig site for 12 has the word "Falls" in its name. Or maybe we need to keep going on this anagram, with synonyms for lead and falls. Lead's atomic number is 82.

    Of course there are usually dozens or more solutions for each anagram. My gut usually tells me to go with the ones that refer to something in the book, include two Bs, or a solution that includes a guide word such as "hint" or "hole" or "area".

    P.S.
    Among other possible solutions to "Beloved Age" is the name of the 13th Floor resident:

    Evade Globe
    Ago Beveled
    A Beveled Go
    A Bee Gloved
    A Bevel Doge
    Bad Levee Go

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    Quote Originally Posted by MayorSara View Post
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    I know that others have said that the periodic table
    error, (Mi in place of Ar) can lead to Michigan.

    I have been looking for numbers (like the 262 in the
    paisley rug on floor 1). If you look at the belt and
    pulleys on the machine, do you see "69"?

    There is also a "6" in the swirls of one of the blenders,
    and a swirl "6" in the porthole-type window of the machine.
    Either 6 will do if we go to

    Michigan (Mi on periodic table)
    Interstate 69 (belt and pulleys)
    Mile Marker 6 (swirl number) a one-sided rest area

    If anyone wants to take a look...
    AP
    There's also a rest area at mile 40 on I-69. ...
    MDOT - Rest Areas/Welcome Centers

    MayorSara,

    This is VERY interesting!
    According to the US Interstate Rest Area website,
    This rest area on I-69 is at Mile Marker 41 !

    I totally disregarded it.

    But on the Michigan Dept of Trans. website,
    this rest area is at Mile Marker 40 !
    It is a one-sided rest area...and there are no
    eye-images on this floor...signifying it is either
    one-sided or asymmetrical.

    Someone has to be in Michigan, close enough to
    check this out
    !
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    Quote Originally Posted by MayorSara View Post
    The word "mile" has been a guide word in other anagrams, and can be pulled out of the original "whirled peas" clue as well. Here's one possible solution:

    Imagine Whirled Peas =
    Mile: A Regained Whips -->
    A Taken Back Belts =
    Backseat Blanket =
    BB A Tackles Taken -->
    A Gears Hauled =
    Area: Lead Gush
    Oh, yup. More steps needed here. And

    Area: Lead Gush -->
    Pb Waterfall =
    Pratfall Web -->
    Blow fabric =
    Bicarb flow

    It's possible that still further steps are needed, but I think "Bicarb flow" could be significant. The obvious "flow" on this floor is the pink stuff coming out of the machine. (Another solution in this anagram string yielded "central prop," which I thought was a reference to the Lemon/belt/pink stuff combination. And the biggest yellow arrow points to this part of the machine.)

    I had assumed that the pink stuff was frosting for the donuts, but maybe it's pepto bismol. Here's wikipedia's good page to explain bicarb:
    Bicarbonate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    An important supporting detail is this from the wikipedia site:
    Bicarbonate also serves in the digestive system. It raises the internal pH of the stomach, after highly acidic digestive juices have finished in their digestion of food. Ammonium bicarbonate is used in digestive biscuit manufacture.
    Recall how, in the text for the 2nd Floor, Gus says, "When Dodge said he had only one question, what came next was always... the overlooked detail that cracked the entire case." And Dodge asks, "Do you have any saltines?"

    Saltines were originally developed as digestive biscuits, the key ingredient of which is ammonium bicarbonate.

    So the bicarb clue seems important. But what does it mean?

    Wikipedia says the molecule has a weight of 61.01 daltons. Could the mile number be 61.01?

    Oh wait.

    This is good.

    Anagrams of "pepto bismol" include "Mile Bop Spot". This made me look up the Hale-Bopp Comet. It's not spelled correctly, but look what's in Wikipedia:

    The comet may have been observed by ancient Egyptians during the reign of pharaoh Pepi I (2332 2283 BCE). In Pepi's pyramid in Saqqara is a text referring to an "nhh-star" as a companion of the pharaoh in the heavens, where "nhh" is the hieroglyph for long hair.
    Anagrams of "pepto bismol" also include "Lo Pepi's Tomb". We know that the 12 from the clock was stolen from the bowels of a pharaoh's tomb (see Ternky's remarks on the inside front cover).

    Oops. I gotta go. I'll try to get back to this later. Fun!

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    The comet may have been observed by ancient Egyptians during the reign of pharaoh Pepi I (2332 – 2283 BCE). In Pepi's pyramid in Saqqara is a text referring to an "nhh-star" as a companion of the pharaoh in the heavens, where "nhh" is the hieroglyph for long hair.
    Anagrams of "pepto bismol" also include "Lo Pepi's Tomb". We know that the 12 from the clock was stolen from the bowels of a pharaoh's tomb (see Ternky's remarks on the inside front cover).
    Yup, right there on the link for Saqqara. Apparently Animal Painter was right about the Tennessee theory (nice job!).

    Saqqara (or Sakkara, Saqqarah; Arabic: سقارة‎) is a vast, ancient burial ground in Egypt, serving as the necropolis for the Ancient Egyptian capital, Memphis.
    The burial ground part of the description reminds me of one of Dodge's longest speeches in the book. In the text that goes with Floor 6, he talks about "walking home from the graveyard" and catching a mime robbing a hotel. The mime jumps in the river and is caught because he couldn't swim.

    Lots of highways, lots of numbers in Tennessee. Some clues in an anagram of that sentence about walking home from the graveyard, taken together with numbers in Quello's apartment, focus my attention on Interstate 40, mile 1. There is a welcome center there, and a riverwalk park. Might be a good dig site?

    If you're in the TN area and want to narrow this down, I'd suggest working with anagrams of "Lemon Belt Pepto Bismol," and start with words like "mile" to see if you can get more specifics about the dig site. If you find you need a letter K to get the solution to work, I believe there might be the outline of a boat's keel on the machine where the "center prop" is attached. You could throw "keel" in with the other words to see if you get better outcomes.
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    I am also mindful, though, of that earlier clue that led to "turnout elf milieu". I felt very strongly that evidence on Floor 4 was pointing to Interstate 40, Mile 425 in Dandridge, TN. So the Memphis clue could be the "room" clue - which identifies the state - and not the "area" clue that narrows down the dig site. The dig site may be further east. Or maybe there are two numbers hidden in Tennessee!

    Some links:
    Maintenance Division - Tennessee Department of Transportation
    Memphis, TN - Google Maps
    Mississippi River Museum & Riverwalk in Memphis, TN

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    Default Tennessee vs Michigan

    I must admit being torn between Tenn. and Mich. as the state
    for floor twelve.

    The balance is heavier on the side of Tennessee...Just because
    of the number of visual clues (see the Tennessee thread).

    There are so many rest areas on I-40 in Tenn.
    If you look only at the list of their numbers on the
    Interstate website, you may think that there are many
    double-sided areas that have the same mm.

    This is misleading. If you actually look at the aerial maps
    (or the Tenn. DOT website) you will see that many of the
    Rest Areas are not directly across from each other.

    [mm 267, mm 130, mm73 are all non-symmetrical rest areas]

    Maintenance Division - Tennessee Department of Transportation

    The one rest area that I have found a definite number for
    using the eyeballs on the table is 324. (3 blue, 2 green, 4 brown...324)

    If I lived in Tennessee, I would take a drive across the state on I-40
    and check out the following rest areas (because they are asymmetrical
    and there is no eye-image on this floor to point to a symmetrical shape).

    446 (this is a welcome center), 425, 420, 326, 324 (my favorite), 267 (both eb & wb),
    130 (both eb & wb), 73 (both eb & wb) or Memphis mm1 welcome center.

    If this were the Clock Number 12 , it would be worth the drive!
    AP

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    4 TEAS become 4 T'S.

    4 STATES. Methinks that might be the state clue.

    The answer: OKLAHOMA

    OK LA OH MA

    Here's hoping...

    Doc

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    Default Memphis Club Chair

    Trying to identify the furniture style of the 2 chairs
    in front of the periodic table...
    This is what I found...a picture of a "Memphis Club Chair"


    Another confirmation for Tennessee?...
    maybe even for Memphis I-40 mm1 ?

    AP

    http://s7v1.scene7.com/is/image/JohnLewis/230210036?$product$

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    Default Memphis Club Chair

    Quote Originally Posted by animal painter View Post
    Trying to identify the furniture style of the 2 chairs in front of the periodic table...This is what I found...a picture of a "Memphis Club Chair"

    Another confirmation for Tennessee?...maybe even for Memphis I-40 mm1 ?

    AP
    Nice find, AP! I'm beginning to see a trend here.

    Doc, I like the new twist you uncovered, too:

    4 TEAS become 4 T'S.

    4 STATES. Methinks that might be the state clue.
    I've been thinking that the four possible state solutions for this floor are Michigan, Wyoming, Utah and Tennessee.

    MIWYUTTN = Winy Mutt

    If Animal Painter is right about the smoke representing the Tennessee mascot, Smokey, this could be another clue in favor of TN.

    Or just a random anagram.

    (And I mean no offense to Tennessee fans. Smokey looks like a very nice dog.)

    Also, Tennessee is the 16th state. I noticed there is a group of 16 test tubes on one wall.

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