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    Default Squaring the 9 circles

    I had this thought in the middle of the night (a couple of hours ago in the East Coast) and couldn't go back to sleep...

    It was bothering me that even if you counted circles in the apartment (to get to 9 of them), why multiply them? That seemed an inelegant clue.

    But then it hit me - the object on the kitchen wall made of bottles - that's a square with 9 circles in it (2 of them out of sight, just to make it a bit less obvious). Nine circles squared should give you 81. When Gus gave the clue about squaring the circles, he was pointing to something already there, and not giving the instructions to something new. Neat clue.

    Of course, this is hindsight... I wish I had had this epiphany 2 or 3 weeks (months?) ago, but even then I wouldn't have figured out the "7" from the music interval...

    On to Quello and Munari!!

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    Default Nine Circle Squared

    Quote Originally Posted by thedawailey View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by yilloslime View Post
    Congrats cosmicjay! Maybe I'm just dense, or maybe this has already been discussed somewhere previously and I missed it, but what does squaring the circle have to do with the solution to this floor?
    I believe Gus referred to squaring the circle as squaring the #9, which is how many numbers had been dug up until cosmicjay found the 1. 9x9 = 81, which was the mile marker for that floor. I guess the "circle" part must refer to the clock face (round) with the 9 found numbers on it. Square what's on the circle? I never would have figured that one out!
    When I saw this sentence on the recent Twintig post, I went back and looked for nine circles:

    The herring was erring, the interval was differential, and nine circles were squared.


    The interval does seem to be the clue about seventh and would stand for the 7th state.

    Does that mean that the herring clue refers to the red thermometer? Or was this part of the state solution - People realized that "red wale" was the answer for "bigger than a red erring," but we failed to take the next step and realize that Maryland is bigger than Delaware?

    For the "nine circles squared," I counted many more circles than nine in the apartment - ends of barbells, doors, exercise wheels, water dishes, connectors on tubes, trash can in the bathroom, lampshade in the entryway, maybe even the exercise clock.

    My best guess is that the thing over the sink - I've been referring to it as a spice rack - can be assumed to contain nine circles within a square. (It is partially obscured by the exterior wall in Gus' sketch.) Is there anything in the text or an arrow-like thing in an illustration that would have directed our attention toward this rack? Would we have had any reason to focus on this without the Anaxagoras clue in one of the Twintig posts? I ask only because it may help us with the remaining two searches if we can understand the underlying logic on Floor 4.

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    Oh hey, there are nine carrot slices.
    I don't think they were intended for the squaring clue.

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    Default Writing numbers in Braille

    Quote Originally Posted by Doc View Post
    Grats, Cosmicjay!

    Exactly what was the solution for this floor?

    State = Maryland from the music (7th?)
    Highway = 95 from the thermometer
    MM = 81 from Braille?

    How does one get '81' in Braille?

    This seems somewhat ambiguous in light of the other solves, IMO.
    I agree, and since Gus mentioned the squaring 9 thing, and I don't have any way to relate my solution to the squaring circles, I am not sure it was the intended clue. I don't like the muffin pan, or whatever it is, being a clue telling us to square the number of circles in it. I don't have anything better though.

    Writing numbers in Braille is straightforward. You have an "escape character", which is the carrot slices on the cutting board viewed upside down. Anything after that is a number. For more than one digit, you just have the "number follows" character and then as many characters (A-J) as there are digits. The number is terminated by the next space, just like any other word. There are other methods for specific applications, apparently (I'm certainly not an expert).

    It is possible that besides the carrot slices the drawer knob is also intended to be taken as a character, in this case "A", which would be the correct way to write 81. That doesn't seem too good though.

    I think the carrot slices as Braille were clearly purposeful. They could have been a red herring that I simply forced to fit.

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    How about 8 beats in 1 measure?

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    Default Congrats CosmicJay

    Good For You!! this was a difficult floor. Congratulations!

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    Quote Originally Posted by erexere View Post
    How about 8 beats in 1 measure?

    Oh, I like that. Now that is some encyphering.
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    Jay, many congratulations on this difficult find! I hope your daughter was super excited to see the treasure!

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    A small lightbulb popped:

    Weren't the hints 'Squaring the Circle' and 'Indiana' concerning the 4th floor solution that nobody seems to be able to reverse engineer?

    The answer to the hints themselves might have been found on floor 12, and they deal with opposites.

    Indiana = IN. Think 'IN' and 'OUT'.
    'Squaring the Circle'. Think 'Circling the Square', as in the red circle around '18' on the periodic table.

    18 would become 81.

    If this is the actual solution to the hints, it was cleverer than the main floor puzzle, IMO.

    Doc

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    Doc! I mean Doc, can you explain better how 18 becomes 81? You are doing a reversal or mirror? If you are on the right track then I would be able to use it to complete my math problem for floor 9 where things make sense if 14 becomes 41.

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