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    Default My Take on Clue 4

    My Take on Clue 4 -

    I am treating Clue 4 as a vigenere cipher. To break down the cipher you need a key, and input, and a instead of A-Z across the top, use a 25 letter phrase or sets of letters - normal A-Z won't give you enough possibilities. Grid will use A-Z without the Q.

    The # of petals on each flower across 18 of them can have the following pattern:

    1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 1 3 4

    The last '2' is missing, but the pattern is solid enough to show that a 7 letter cipher key could be used as a vigenere key as you traverse each letter in the key. 1 for first letter, 7 for last letter.

    For the key:

    I guess I can't attach the clue 4 picture, but if you connect the centers of the top two and bottom two fairies you will see the 'X' that looks just like the upper-left top 'X' from p38, only reversed. The small green fairy is pointing right at the intersection of the two lines. If some can post the picture let me know and I will send it to you.

    Next to the 'X' are two letters 'N' and 'W' in the tree branch on p38. The 'vii' is located right on the 'N' letter. I looked for 7 letters starting with N and ending in W, which is 'NYEKNOW' in the Flower Faeries section. Since the X is reversed in clue 4, the key reversed on p38 is 'WONKEYN'. You can see the 'KEY' in the letters, and 'KEY' is visible across the bottom of clue 4. Therefore I am using 'WON KEY N' as my 7 letter cipher key.

    The input:

    Since 'X' is shown on Clue 4, I found two 'X' letters on the green fairy on p38 in upper left. The first X uses her wing and something coming out of her head to form the X, which points to the 'G' near her head (No Diggin 'G'). The 'R' on the other side of the gap (o'r') also looks like a small X at the bottom of the R letter. I started to look for 18 letters which started with G and end in R. When I looked closer at the G and R, there is a sideways '8' and 'e' letters, and also a capital 'T' is formed in the gap in black against the top border where the knothole forms between G and OR. This forms G E8 T O R -> G EIGHT T O R -> GATOR.

    I remember there is an outline of an alligator near the butterfly on p33 that several people had previously mentioned. Strangely enough in the bottom quote of p33, starting at the 33rd letter you get the following 18 letters: G HAD BECOME THE NEW GR - which starts with G and ends in R. So I used those 18 letters.

    The top line 25 letters to replace vigenere letters A-Z:

    In the bottom right of clue 4, you will see a '25' and '71' just below it.

    There is a 71 near the green corner fairy on p38, and a light 71 in the arm of the blue fairy below. Could mean 25 letters starting with IN and ending in NO.

    or

    On p38 with the reverse 'X', you can also see 71 near the upper left fairy. The 7 is holding the two 'G's together and the 'I' in digging looks like a '1'. On p41, the Kootenstoopits eyes are drawn upsidedown. Turning her upside down you see a '7' and a '1' on her feet. Three pages later you can see the small grass blades form a 71 also. So, every three pages you can see a 71, so perhaps it involes those 3 pages with 71 on them.

    71 p38 - There is an H formed by holding the two Gs in digging, and there is an upside down L at the top of the H. The p38 X in upper left corner has letters A and U on the top and bottom of the X. If the anagram the letters in that area (H L A U then the two Gs and the IN near fairy arm) you get LAUGHING. on p71 separated by commas is the word LAUGHING forming 8 letters.

    71 p41 - Right-side up near the kooten's feet shows a small 12. There are 3 curled grass blades in upper right, and 9 blades on lower left to form total of 12. In the lower 9 there is a blade that is split, where one points to N in NARY, and the other half blade touches the line that goes all the way to the P in PIECE. If you follow the letters from N to P you get 9 letters -> NARYECEIP, then I took the top 3 letters to complete the pattern to get TIW. Combined is NARYECEIPTIW. What is interesting is that the spilled flour looks like an arrow with NW letters in it, and also there is the NW letters from p38 near the X vii that were used for the cipher key. The final result on this page also extends from N to W.

    71 p43 - Grass points to fairy's wings which form 5 letters - WINGS. Not sure about that one. Grass also points to 6th finger of fairy which could use 'OF GOSSAMER' where SAMER would be used.


    Total 25 letters becomes: LAUGHINGNARYECEIPTIWWINGS (or SAMER) for last 5.

    Final part is to overlay each of 18 letters on the flowers, use the petal # to determine which letter of the cipher key to use and vigenere each letter separately. I wrote a program to place the letters up/down/right/left and then vigenere, and then read the letters in all directions as well and still nothing. I think a 90 degree rotation is used to re-sort the letters to get the answer, just like the SAVE OUR TREES ART re-ordering on p2-3.

    Anyway, that's my take on it. It looks complicated, but I will say that clue 4 is not an easy one. I believe the answer to clue 4 will be a very specific location, but you need a park name from the book to complete the solve. I have a location for this, but do not have any specifics from clue 4 to lead me anywhere. If you crack this let me know!

    At least this gets you thinking in different ways than typical 5x5's.

    grimey

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    wow, grimey101 you did a lot of work on clue four. I believe clue 4 is a 19x19 grid. We just need to find 361 letters to put in it. Has anyone done a word or letter count on each page of TT? Then it probably becomes a word search or a boggle. Just my opinion. $tutzy.

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    Scott, you've posted alot of info and it'll take a while to digest it all. It looks like you've slugged ahead full steam on Clue 4, for sure.

    Since you have hit a brick wall, I suggest that you backtrack a bit and review each of your steps critically. For example, I have looked at the pg 41 Kootenstoopit's eyes and I don't think they are upsidedown. They look (to me) more natural the way they are depicted. But these observations are subjective, and maybe you see something I don't. In the long run, a string of subjective assumptions will trip you up, eventually.

    I'm guessing that some of what you posted is probably correct. All of it is original. I've never read, seen, or thought about any of the connections you've made. I promise I'll look it up and down and let you know what I think. Thanks for posting your ideas.

    I can see the numbers 71 that you mention, including the 71 in the Kooten's feet when viewed upsidedown. On page 71 there are 149 words, and the 71st word is 'disguised'. The 71st letter is the letter 'v' in 'happy anni-V-ersary'. Nothing immediately popping out, unfortunately. I'll look into every angle I can.

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    Default ATT Clue 4 image

    Couldn't post this on ATT thread - so here's the image I was referring to.
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    Moved the post to what I hope is the thread that you intended, Grimey.
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    perfect -thanks!

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    Default 7 x7 for Clue 4

    X OR 1 RL
    2 PI
    3 RR
    4 GL These go across - formatting lost
    5 BL
    6 GR
    7
    1 A B C D E F G
    2 H I J K L M N
    3 O P Q R S T U
    4 V W X Y Z A B
    5 C D E F G H I
    6 J K L M N O P

    7 Q R S T U V W
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    Default On gosssamer wings in a song lyric Frank Sinatra

    Just One Of Those Things lyrics
    It was just one of those things, just one of those crazy flings.

    One of those bells that now and then rings, just one of those things.

    It was just one of those nights, just one of those ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ flights.

    A trip to the moon on gossamer wings, just one of those things.

    If weŽd thought of it, Žbout the end of it, when we started painting the town,

    WeŽd have been aware that our love affair was too hot not to cool down.

    So goodbye, dear, and Amen, hereŽs hoping weŽll meet now and then.

    It was great fun but it was just one of those things.

    It was just, jkust one of those nights, just one of those ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ flights.

    A trip to the moon on gossamer wings, just one of those things.

    If weŽd thought of it Žbout the end of it, when we started painting that town.,

    WeŽd have been aware that our love affair was too hot not to cool down.

    So goodbye, goodbye, bye-bye, goodbye, baby, and Amen,hereŽs hoping weŽll meet nown and then.

    It was great fun but it was jus tone of those things.
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    Default Clue 4 just the faries and other misc. info

    This looked to be the best place to put this info. I copied it over from the ATT site on one of my previous posts. I really think there is something at this park, and I think clue #4 supports it. I never had any luck finding anything, but it is all way too coincidental. I hope this can help somebody. The time is about to run out.

    Here was my post:
    ______________________________

    I have been at a dead end for so long, but I am still convinced something is at this location. I have had so many wonderful partners who have searched for me, but I just can not seem to put a finger on the exact location. I really don't want this to end without someone finding something here. Let's make one last run at this. Here is some of my best info.

    I. Clue #4 Fairies

    Blue=1
    Red=2
    Orange=3
    Pink=4
    Green=5

    Pointing Down Left = 1
    Pointing Up Left = 2
    Pointing Up Right = 3
    Pointing Down Right = 4

    No Point?=5


    5,2 = J
    2,2 = G
    5,3 = O
    2,3 = L
    4,1 = D
    3,4 = S
    1,4 = P

    II. Before the original ATT website was redone, on the Home page in big red letters was "NATIONAL TREASURE HUNT" which anagrams to:
    A hint: near a turn E Lotus

    III. Anagram from one of the main illustrations of the book:

    Zac didn’t even believe in fairies = CA levee bend site VIII find near Z

    IV. Pook
    Check out this park publication:
    http://www.parks.ca.gov/pages/484/fi...lGold32005.pdf
    Turn the map so that South is in the North position and compare it to 44. See Pook (Monument Rd) with his nose pointing to the thistle (the park trails)?

    V. Another anagram:

    Ye Nomenclature of Faeries = Lotus CA near eye of firemen

    VI. And another:

    It felt like old times = Mill site left to dike.
    Sutter's Mill, the original site of the CA Gold Discovery, is at the park. If you face the mill, to your left is the gold discovery site (or dike).

    One turn East of Lotus, CA on the banks of the South Fork of the American River is James Marshall Gold Discover State Historic Park (J GOLD SP) in the small town of Coloma.

    The vines of clue #4 look very much like the park map inverted as well.

    What does it all mean??

    Can someone help me put the last of the pieces together? I want someone to find this! I don't want it to go unsolved.

    Thanks all.
    indypair

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