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    Default Summary of possible 5x5 encoding methods

    With all the effort directed at this page, and no solution yet, I'm thinking either we've found the right encoding method but not the right sequence or what coords to ignore; or we've overlooked the true method.

    So I thought I'd try to list all the encode methods mentioned so far, maybe the consolidation will be helpful for those looking for a "new" way to code those coords (like me!).


    (a) Coords = colors (of letters, letter borders, blank faces, or some combination thereof)

    (a1) Coords = letter and/or letter-border colors, modified by the actual letter in question

    (b) Coords = woodgrains (my personal favorite)

    (c) Coords = overall characteristics of each block (i.e. number of colors)

    (d) Coords = number of type X blocks between type Y blocks (good luck defining X and Y and the sequence)

    (e) Coords = leaves and/or acorns in box with pickensrooter

    (f) Coords = vine wraps on dropcap map page

    (g) Coords = leaf or space patterns on dropcap map page (where Beetle is hidden)

    And also some methods which don't involve the 5x5...

    (h) Sequencing/anagramming actual block letters themselves by color (i.e. Find The Trees Hole, or using all letters which are blue or have blue borders, etc.)

    (i) Sequencing letters by physical page location using some yet-undiscovered key

    (j) Thinking of a park name, then checking if it can be spelled using at least some of the letters shown on the page (this one's pretty easy and yields lots of solutions!)


    Okay, so of all those possibilities, to me using the woodgrains or colors to code 5x5 coords seems the most likely possibility. So what's the sequence? Here's what's been mentioned...

    (1) Clockwise or counterclockwise overall around page (start at notch in "G" border or in corner?)

    (2) Following inner and/or outer border around page

    (3) Using sequence as given by "Reveals the name..." line

    (4) Using sequence as given by "Find The Trees Hole"

    (5) Using alphabetical sequence (many variations due to duplicate letters)

    (6) Multiple passes, taking first the block tops then sides, or sides then tops, or whatever

    (7) Using alphabetical sequence based on different alphabet (i.e. alpha sequence as given in first sentence of p.2 (this one's a real stretch!)


    Did I leave anything out?


    Sorry about the long post. Maybe it'll be a useful checklist for you tech-savvy crypto crunchers out there...

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    Hey thanks for that...it looks like it took some time!

    But, this has been posted before, and to avoid duplicating posts, and keeping this one at the top for all those interested in what we've figured out so far, could a mod sticky this post (or a similar one)? If not, I guess that's fine, I just think it would make it easier.

    Again, though, thanks for the work you're doing - keep it up.

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    ratty-
    You left out starting with the green E and going to the next green E both clockwise and counter clockwise or even all the way around jennyj
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    hi ratty,

    nice and thorough!!

    i am trying to see if the letter orientation makes a difference.

    i rotate the 5x5 grid based on the orientation of the letter in the block with respect to the orientation of the letter in the "THE" block.

    also, i have tried the following as "keys":

    "THE" block = R-P-G-Y-B OR R-P-G-B-Y
    JXFGU border color = P-Y-R-B-G
    "REVEA" border color = B-P-Y-G-R
    Bottom Row border colors = G-Y-R-P-B or B-P-R-Y-G


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    E lengths yay!
    Or am I just paranoid...

    *Of course*

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    Of course, the E's! I forgot about the E-based stuff...

    I didn't list any of the possible keys mentioned--mostly because I've been working more on the other elements and plugging coords into my 5x5 solver, then looking over all 120 possible strings for each group.

    ivybabe, I think the right one for the THE block is the first one you list, because of FIND THE TREES HOLE (or is that an assumption?).

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    Default color2=5

    I have tried using letter border colors in almost every possible way
    numbered the colors in order they appear in the rainbow and reversed

    r 1 y 2 g 3 b 4 p 5

    so p,g would be 53 and so on....... then put in a 5x5 solver with too many results . i think somehow we are all missing the simple solution....

    any other opinions on the nevada test site ?? i have had many references to nukes and and bombs and things using this method..... Too bad it is a restricted area..... don't think we have a glowing beetle however..... isn't a cockroach a beetle? they would survive a radiation attack right?????

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    I have tried starting the 5x5 grid with the letter E in the 1,1 spot on a few of the things you mentioned above but got no where. Also tried the colored triangles along the borders inthe orders of the border colors but didnt get anythign either. I think its gotta be a simple solution, just gotta find the right simple solution. Try looking at the page from 10 feet away and see what that gets ya....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Recycled Youth
    I have tried starting the 5x5 grid with the letter E in the 1,1 spot on a few of the things you mentioned above but got no where. Also tried the colored triangles along the borders inthe orders of the border colors but didnt get anythign either. I think its gotta be a simple solution, just gotta find the right simple solution. Try looking at the page from 10 feet away and see what that gets ya....
    I know what you mean. I am totally out of ideas. I'll bet it is probably something very simple and we will all be saying, "gosh, why didn't I think of that?" when it is solved. I just wish someone would solve it...it's driving me crazy!!!!

    Rachel

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    Default pairing the wood grain blocks

    for those believing in the grains , i'd be curious to know how the block next to the K in the lower left corner is paired. The other puzzles have primarily paired based on 'closeness' - there have been none where vastly distant elements were paired up. There has always been a rule (have any required a hierarchy of multiple rules?) to determine pairing. Beetle should be no exception.

    that said, the lower left block really has only two possibilities: the circle face above the K or the half-circle face next to the H. Doesn't seem likely that it pairs with the half-circle face - that would require it 'cross' the unimportant blue triange. I just cant see a rule favoring the use of something unimportant. Granted, they do touch at the corner, but the grain faces pretty much all touch as they go around the page, so that'd be a tough rule to decipher.

    i think this one is paired based on multiple rules, i dont think one rule can do it. But i believe it's essentially distance apart - pairing the lower left corner face with say the straight line face below the E in NAME (since they are on the same bottom row) just doesnt seem natural. And the pairings for the other 'simple' puzzles (Spider and Firefly excluded) have been natural.

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