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    It seems like this Treasure Hunt is bringing out the best and the very worst of people. On one hand, new friendships are being made and ideas are being shared. This is what Mr. Stadther probably intended when he created this hunt.
    On the other hand, this hunt is also bringing out some of the nastiest people we have ever encountered. Sometimes, after an idea is posted, there is a flurry of some of the meanest postings ever read. People putting down other people, rude comments, cursing, and just plain ugliness. You can read some of the horrible statements on ATT.com.
    Most of the people are very nice, but there are a few that only contribute negative comments. Maybe they are angry because they were not clever enough to decipher the clues.
    IT'S ONLY A GAME

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    Ah, but it is a real treasure hunt for real gold! Surely history has taught us how people will behave when hunting for gold. It will bring out the pirate in many people.

    This is not a game. It is a contest of intelligence and skill.

    -Rusty

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    The love of money is the root of all evil" New Testament

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    I agree with Rusty. No true treasure hunt is complete without 'Gagool' (from "King Solomon's Mines") or some other backstabbing claim-jumper adding spice to the story. Read the short story "Mr. Pocket". That's great, plus it details exactly how to triangulate to the lode source of a placer deposit.

    I spent 6 months on the Merced River in California panning out of a tent-camp. I'd get up at first glimmer of light, go to work, and then-suddenly-it'd be hard to see, and I'd realize the day was gone, and it was time to stop. Of course, in the Sierras, the sun is gone rather quickly behind the mountains, but it was GOLD FEVER.

    There's something about treasure that brings out the demon in people. Rules of decorum are thrown away. Finders-keepers. I located a four-inch line of pay gold in the bedrock that spanned the river about 60 feet. Got 3+ ounces across four stupid inches all in a line. This was curious, until somebody told me that I'd probably chanced upon the dividing line where two old claims had abutted. In the old days, folks were so afraid of being shot for claim-jumping, there'd be a few inches of 'no-man's-land' separating claims. I'd found one.

    Then, there was the time I was metal detecting out in the desert North of Quartzite, Arizona. A jeep came rumbling up, and out stepped a spindly old man carrying his metal detector. He was from Canada, and he and his wife (both retired) came to Arizona every Winter for vacation (it was February). He proceeded to show me his 'nuggets'--holy crap! This feller had several multi-ounce nuggets he'd found in the desert. Now, I'm a regular law-abiding, do-unto others etc. type dude, and yet, I found myself thinking evil thoughts. Just for a second. Why? Because it was GOLD, and for some reason, when it comes to gold, different standards apply. There wasn't anybody around for miles, he didn't know me from Adam, he was pushing 80 years old, and he had a few thousand dollars in gold nuggets wrapped up in paper napkins (of all things), showing them to me, a complete stranger. Admittedly, those were more innocent days, but I was the height of my career, and could have snuffed him with a simple application of thumb and forefinger. I'm a bit long in the tooth myself, now, but I haven't forgotten that incident where I actually found myself calculating the odds, even if for a brief moment. I pride myself at being scrupoulously honest in everything I do, even to my own self-detriment. Yet, I was actually coveting that old man's gold, momentarily. So people, it's a constant struggle between our knowledge of Good and Evil, and our actions. Though I agree with Rusty, I sympathize with Themare. This is a Treasure Hunt. Skewed rules of greed, envy, and gold fever can rear their ugly heads at any moment. I know from personal experience that when treasure is the issue, different rules of human behavior apply.

    There was another old prospector I met in the desert, who packed a .45. "For varmints" he explained, "of the human variety".

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    Quote Originally Posted by themare
    The love of money is the root of all evil" New Testament
    "Judge not, and ye shall not be judged; condemn not and ye shall not be condemned . . ." Luke 6:37

    "[H]e lifted himself up and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone . . ." John 8:7

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    Themare, I'm full of all sorts of corporeal sin, but I'm chucking a verbal stone at you anyway, because I disagree with your post:

    1.) I doubt that Mr. Stadther intended for us to make new friendships, and share ideas. He probably intended to amuse puzzlers and treasure seekers in the same way that he was amused by Masquerade, and probably intended to gain some fame and remuneration while he was at it.

    2.) If the people feuding on this board represent "some of the nastiest people we have ever encountered" then we are fortunate people. It doesn't take much thinking for me to come up with a list of truly nasty people who roam this planet. And if these are "some of the meanest postings ever read" then I'd have to say that you are one of the most sheltered web-users that ever used the most superlatives to describe things. Ever.

    3.) It IS only a game--which means that while it may not be worth despoiling your character over, it's definitely not worth getting fretting over what you perceive as other people's poor sports(person)ship. I will concede that it is irksome to play games with people who spend more time trumpeting about The Rules then enjoying the game, but if you start complaining about them, and I start complaining about you, then we've all gone and rolled in the mud together--haven't we? (An Italian friend once told me that you shouldn't wrestle with a pig, because you get covered with mud, and the pig likes it.)

    4.) I find it particularly distasteful to quote Biblical passages at someone else. Those who are interested in the Bible probably spend enough time quoting passages at other people with enough frequency that they don't need to be reminded of what Paul said (1 Timothy 6:10). And it means nothing to those not interested. I might as well quote the Qur'an or a Hindu text to you: "I will divert from My Signs all those who are arrogant in the earth without any right." (Surat al-A'raf: 146) or "The vile are ever prone to detect the faults of others, though they be as small as mustard seeds, and persistently shut their eyes against their own, though they be as large as Vilva fruit." (Garuda Purana 112).

    I will admit that I am now guilty of the same thing (judging you) for which I am indicting you (judging others). This really isn't a problem for me, since I'm rather fond of my own hypocrisies (it's everyone else's that I can't stand) and I will admit that sometimes I am a vile, arrogant, mud-covered pig. And I have to say that if I have debased myself by disagreeing with you--it was worth it. (Oink, oink.)

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    Perch!!!! OMG! I almost split my sides laughing! I don't know why the image of you and your "thumb and forefinger" got me going. Maybe it was the allusion to Darth Vader and your battle with the dark side of the force. (Sorry for the Star Wars ref., I'm not even really a fan)

    BTW, I had no idea you were such a storied treasure hunter. You should write a book, my man. I'd like to hear more about your adventures.
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    Default Re: ATT Brings Out the Best and the Worst of People

    Perchprism said it best - it's not just a game, but a treasure hunt.

    A wise person once used this metaphor - that people are like teabags, and you see what they truly are inside when you apply a little hot water.

    There's alot of truth in that. What you are seeing is the latent evil that resides in all of us. People aren't 'naturally good'. Just look at the selfishness and self-centeredness of any infant or toddler and you see human nature at its purest, most transparent form. We just get better at asking for what we want, manipulating for what we want, as we get older.

    As Perchprism points out - he has made a conscious effort to be honest and upright, and still the sight of that gold had him off balance for a second or two.

    I have a good friend that I have never seen lose his temper - not even when at the store with a rude sales clerk. He always keeps a sweet posture and graciousness to his voice and his words. I asked him about it, and he said that he has predetermined that no matter what happens to him, he will respond graciously. He's made that decision ALREADY. So when the time comes, he isn't reacting to what happened, he's responding according to his decision. It's a little deep, but he's got the right idea.

    I decided at the start of this hunt that I would not do two things, no matter what the payoff might be:

    1) Neglect my family to work the hunt.
    2) Get into a fight with someone over the treasure.

    I'll hand over a token before I'll do either one of those things, and I'll be a happier man because of it.

    DJ


    Quote Originally Posted by themare
    It seems like this Treasure Hunt is bringing out the best and the very worst of people.
    IT'S ONLY A GAME

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    Wessmanc:

    I don't want to get too philosophical, but it doesn't surprise me that the quoting of the Bible brings about an offense to people. It's powerful stuff. I mean, you don't hear anyone exclaiming "Budda!" when they hit their finger with a hammer, or "Oh my Muhammad!" when they find a cockroach in the bathtub. Ever wonder why that is?

    You can quote Hindu and Islamic text all day and through tomorrow if you want, and I'll not need to quote one Bible verse back to you. As long as I have the security of my two-edged broadsword sheathed at my waist (and hidden in my heart), you can bang on the table all day with your butter knives.


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    Quote Originally Posted by wessmanc
    [4.) I find it particularly distasteful to quote Biblical passages at someone else....I might as well quote the Qur'an or a Hindu text to you:

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