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    Default Trashing of Newaygo State Park

    My daughter and son-in-law live within walking distance of Newaygo SP. This evening they walked to the park to see what all the hubbub is about. They were shocked and disappointed to find the park so abused. The wild fern had been trampled down, holes dug around the base of trees exposing roots, bark chipped off areas of trees that couldn't possibly have held a token and a stump beaten down as if it were a dead horse.

    My son and I have taken an active part in the treasure hunt. We are very careful to preserve the trees and plants so as not to deface or defile the beauty God has given us. As armchair treasure hunters we take into account the rules set down by Mr. Stadther who wants us to preserve and become more in touch with nature through A Treasure's Trove. Mr. Stadther has tried to help us understand that treasure is not jewels and gold. Treasure is what we have around us. Treasure is the planet we live on. Treasure is passing it on to others just as we found it. Treasure is what Zach found when he looked at the Forest in a new way.

    How sad that the search for a mere token has destroyed so much fauna in the parks visited. How pathetic that greed is destroying the very legacy we should be preserving. How disgusting that the hunters have become Rusful.

    The time my son and I have spent sharing A Treasure's Trove is the treasure I have found in the book. It's to bad while some were beating down bushes and raping trees they lost sight of the real treasure.

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    i am so sad to hear this.




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    That's all I have to say.

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    I wrote to M.S. back in June and told him this was happening at the park. My partner and I started searching Newaygo the end of May. I searched only during the week. By the end of June I would find knotholes were ripped open, bark stripped, and notes NAILED to trees. I can only imagine what it looks like now.

    how sad


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    It is an absolute shame but are we really suprised? Look how many greedy people jump in their cars frothing at the mouth at first sight of a possible solution posted here. Half of the people running off on these expeditions aren't even inteligent enough to have solved a clue. Should we expect them to be inteligent enough to respect nature when it could possibly stand in the way of their gold? As this treasure hunt winds to an end the irony is incredibly thick. Thank god the message at the start of the book decoded to "Save our tree's art" and not just "Save our trees".

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    I am sad to see the park messed up as well, but I am going to play devil's advocate and bring up a different point of view. When we all signed up for this hunt we had no idea that knotholes were where the tokens would be. I think it was a bad choice. Trees were damaged in retrival of tokens. But I think you are wrong to only put the blame on the searchers, MS has blame too. He placed tokens in places where muck grew up around the token and to retrieve the token the muck had to be scraped out and removed. He placed tokens too high in trees so that logs, stumps or trees needed to be climbed to retrieve the token. He placed a token in a tree and then the token fell like six feet down and noone could get it. They were so happy to solve the puzzle and then what a let down to not be able to get it because of nature and MS's poor judgement. So then people talked about cutting the tree down, etc.


    I tried to be as careful as possible in looking for tokens. I tried not to trample, but as you can see many tokens were placed in trees surrounded by wildlife how could you not disturb something? I did have to scrape muck out to look. I feel bad about it, but once again I am not sure the blame should go all on the searchers. As long as we tried to be respectful and careful while we searched then we are not the bad guys.

    Also if someone is dumb enought to post a solution on the net then we have every right to go look. We bought the book too. I did go look for posted solutions and I don't feel bad about it. I just wanted to participate and have fun. If I did find one that way I would say that I had help from the net and I would try to acknowledge and share the winnings with the first known solver, like Ccord and Cavefish did. So watch the name calling.
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    This is the only comment I will make on your statement.

    Quote Originally Posted by aprilxmichelle
    When we all signed up for this hunt we had no idea that knotholes were where the tokens would be. I think it was a bad choice. Trees were damaged in retrival of tokens.
    I don't recall "signing up" for anything. Where did you sign up? I bought a book to solve a puzzle.


    But I think you are wrong to only put the blame on the searchers, MS has blame too.
    As for blaming Mr. Stadther - aren't we all adults and responsible for our actions? I bet you blame Santa for not giving you what you want for Christmas too.


    As long as we tried to be respectful and careful while we searched then we are not the bad guys. . . .
    Then when would they be the bad guys? You don't have to light a match to a forest or bulldoze the land to destroy the parks. Sometimes it is trampling down wildflowers or gouging holes in trees. Sometimes it is taking a shopvac with you to suck the muck out of a tree. Sometimes it is not using your God-given common sense properly. Obviously people have not been respectful and careful or we wouldn't be hearing all the repoprts of park trashing. If the tokens had been on private property would you defend people destroying that also? Well, State Parks are private property. They are the property of the residents of the state who pay taxes to protect them.


    So watch the name calling.
    Where is the name calling? Reread the comments of all and you will see there is only disappointment in others and regret for the destruction left in their path. Me thinks the lady duth protest to much.


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    Default Regarding the Knotholes

    Mike said that he was surprised by how hard it was to find knotholes in trees. He said that they are very common on land inhabited by people (such as your yard), but much less common in parks.

    I would guess that he regrets some of the knothole choices he made and feels that he made some of them out of desparation to find some knothole at that location.

    I think that we simply have to accept that the knothole thing was an unknown factor for this hunt -- how well would knotholes hold the tokens and how could he place them so that no one would see it by accident.

    Now that Mike has "data" from 12 tokens, I'm sure he has good ideas of how to improve upon this for the future.

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    Unfortunately this is neither surprising nor unexpected. The fundamental lack of respect shown for State and Federal Park systems is not something that started with or will end with this hunt. If this 'hunt' has made more people aware of what has made me sad for years now, then maybe some good will become of it - but then again, people (in general) seem to have a large capacity for not being good stewards when it comes to taking care of the environment.

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    Tough call, aprilx, but have to think, some of what you say is true, and supported by Badger's post reiterating MS's own thoughts. And whereas it's true, things like old stumps, and old knotholes,,,,well,,,,they aren't exactly replaceable.

    However, as for the rest of the flora and fauna, one of my more positive thoughts comes from an old movie, "Sometimes a Great Notion".

    "It grows."
    "When you created the book, you also created us."

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