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    You are a wise, wise woman! Thanks for your contributions.

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    Ah, fascinating topic! Here's my nutshell:

    Jesus = Good
    Steve without Jesus = Bad
    Steve with Jesus = Good

    All of that denomination stuff is irrelevant once you've got that part down.

    The whole part about being judged by others inside a Church is such a difficult topic to deal with. Much of the time it is misunderstanding, but unfortunately, a lot of the time it's probably not. The difficulty stems from the general concept of... "You should try and as good a person as you can, but if you mess up, that's OK". It's natural for people to therefore attempt to do their best, and whatever level they are able to achieve, that's where their personal moral "standard" is subconsciously set, which they then (unfortunately) apply to others.

    On the other hand, it's also a goal of many/most Christians to help people, so "diagnosing" becomes part of the regular way they deal with other people. As a recipient, it's often difficult to tell the difference between being "judged" and being "diagnosed". Again, human nature (and a little experience) often tends to make us think the most negative option is probably the correct one.

    For example, if I say to a friend of mine "I think you're an alcoholic", it's hard to say if I'm judging him, or trying to get him some honest help. Since he's my friend, I think the answer is obvious, but when you're dealing with others you may not know so well (like at church), the line gets very fuzzy.

    Very interesting topic.

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    Solarus, reminds me of a time when my mother was admitting my grandfather in the hospital. She's a typical mom. (You'll love this story.)
    She ask me privately later, (in a whisper) "Peg, the lady at the desk ask me if daddy was Protestant or Catholic." Oh no, I'm thinking. This is a loaded question for my mom. "Mom?" I ask with much trepidation, "what did you tell her?" She proudly announced that she replied, "Neither, he's Baptist!" Mom's are like that, yes they are.
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    TY, Steve and Sol, for your posts.

    Steve, I don't think it's necessarily the judgment you get once you're active in a church. For some, they feel they're judged instantly, by strangers, even if they just sit in a pew and do nothing but sing. No engagement whatsoever, no room for misinterpretation. They just feel really uncomfortable there. I must admit that I have felt that way in the past - so squirmy in church I wanted to run out the door - but don't feel that where I am now. I'm more involved than ever before, so maybe that's the difference in my comfort level. A sense of ownership? It does make me sad to think that somebody might not join us on a Sunday for fear of being judged by me! Good grief.

    Glad you joined the conversation.

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    Oh, I was speaking in fairly large generalities. Some churches are better than others regarding the judging thing, and I was more thinking about visitors than I was members, but all in all it's fairly similar.

    And I probably didn't make it clear that I think the overall percentage of the "judges" is fairly small. For the most part, I think people are honestly interested in helping.

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    agreed...

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    Quote Originally Posted by spiderman

    If you're willing, I'd really like to know what comforts you find in your particular religion, and what brought you to that denomination or group.  If you would rather, tell me why you are turned off by the whole thing.  
    It seems this topic was put to bed, but I was out of town and didn't get a chance to reply. I hope I don't open a can of worms in reviving it.

    Born and raised Mormon, or more "correctly" a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

    I served a mission, just like those Mormon missionaries who you've probably seen on bikes, except I served in southern Chile (and walked.. a lot).

    I think that the comfort I've received from my faith deals with a few of the central tenets of it. One of those is the eternal nature of families. Somehow, it's comforting to know that even on the other side, I'll be surrounded by those who love me. Another is my belief that even though I'm not perfect, with no real hopes of so being, Christ can make up the difference.

    Spidee, like you, I've been stuggling to spreadsheet something, grasp tangibility, etc. (must be that MBA thing!)

    For the last year, I've struggled with my faith, questioning like I've never done before. I know I don't feel as strongly as I have in the past, but I would be lost without something to hold on to. I suppose it's probably like a roller-coaster. You go up, you go down, but as long as you have something to grasp, you don't fall off.

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    Never fear - there's no can of worms here for you to worry about. It's spam! JK...

    I liked your eternal family reference. That is a comforting thought, depending on your family. I have relatives who are Mormons, and cousins who recently finished their mission, though I know next to nothing about their beliefs. I'm doing my best to educate myself about my particular denomination, let alone all the others.

    Thanks for sharing, Moscow. I was hoping you'd post!

    Carol

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    I was just thinking about the desire for something "tangible" that a couple of folks have mentioned. I've always thought that if there were some definitive proof of the existence of God, that would remove faith from the equation, which isn't really an option. (I would think).

    Just a thought.
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