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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc View Post
    Could be 'Mariah' which divides into MA RI AH and makes me think Massachusetts - Rhode Island interstate highway, but the final A would have to be transformed to 'I'. Again, not very sure about any of this.

    The railroad that went between Idaho and Michigan was the MILWAUKEE ROAD.
    C no H: C = THREE. THREE - H = TREE
    There's a GREEN TREE ROAD in MILWAUKEE, but I don't know how all of this is going to come together as yet, or if this is remotely correct.

    Doc.
    Note that the Fifth floor has the book 39 Clues which has references to booth Milwaukee AND Mass./R.I.
    The grandmother of the protagonist is from Attleboro is a city in Bristol County, Massachusetts, and is immediately north of Pawtucket, Rhode Island. Once known as "The Jewelry Capital of the World" for its many jewelry manufacturers(wiki).
    But, the strongest team on that quest (Team Two...The Holts) are all from Miwaukee. The only other places in the US that are heavily referenced in relation to 39 Clues are Oak Bluffs and Boston...both Mass.

    Any correlation between where something was stolen and where it ended up? For example, couldnt we maybe have one floor that reveals the state and the floor that the stolen item ended up on have all the clues for more specific? or Vice versa...
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    Quote Originally Posted by perchprism View Post
    This is a list of connections between floors arranged by items stolen from and hidden into. Each floor has two different connections except floors 6 and 7, who swapped stolen items. There's still some question where the zucchini is. I'm going to assume it's on the first floor, well-hidden, or not readily identifiable since it's from the 1983 crop:

    ------Floor
    10<---12--->5 (lead bars/vitrola)

    1<----11--->8 (zucchini/lunchbox)

    4<----10--->12 (hunting rifle/lead bars)

    8<----9---->3 (Green anti-grav. galoshes/12-headed statue)

    11<---8---->9 (lunchbox/green galoshes)

    6<----7---->6 (unicycle/lavender bubble shoes)

    7<----6---->7 (lavender bubble shoes/unicycle)

    12<---5--->2 (vitrola/pink poney toothbrush)

    2<----4--->10 (metronome/hunting rifle)

    9<----3---->1 (12-headed statue/magnifying glass)

    5<----2---->4 (Pink Poney toothbrush/hunting rifle)

    3<----1--->11 (magnifying glass/zucchini)


    Next will come the donut connection, I guess.
    Thank you for putting together this table. I have noticed (and some other posts have observed) that there seem to be "displaced" items in the rooms that were not reported stolen: A missile, apparently from floor 11, is on a cabinet on the 9th floor; An exotic plant from the 10th floor jungle is in the Midway room on Floor 7. So we may need to do a similar matrix for stolen or borrowed (?) items that were not reported missing by the original owners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc View Post
    Each room and each major clue group appears to have some sort of discrete answer that we are apparently going to combine into some sort of final answer that should tell us exactly where to dig.

    1. The room with the pot and cake in it appears to give the answer SPRING LAKE, NC.

    a. The clues begin with the chair with the SPRING in it.
    b. The next two clues are a CAKE and a LEMON. Swapping their first letters like some sort of spoonerism gives you LAKE and CEMON.
    c. The next clue is a POT on TOP. It's a clue to switch the first and last letters: CEMON = NEMOC.
    d. The final clue is a TV REMOTE. It's a clue to change the 'T' to a 'V' such that REMOTE becomes REMOVE.
    e. I would remove 'REMOVE': NEMOC - REMOVE = NC

    SPRING LAKE, NC

    I have absolutely no idea if this is correct or not. I certainly don't think the jewel is hidden there. This answer to this room would only be a part of a bigger metapuzzle hidden on the floor.

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    This is amazing work, and very consistent with the text on the facing page, where Quello explains that his work involves turning "pigs into pants. Firewood into laughter. Emeralds to eyeballs." I had been working on converting the letters in each word to numbers, and then subtracting to see what would happen. Your approach - treating the rooms as rebus puzzles - seems to work better.

    While we are on the subject of the 12th foor, I'll throw in my 2 cents about some thoughts I posted at another site yesterday, and the new thought I had as I fell asleep last night:

    Points in favor of the Great Lake State (Michigan) for Floor 12:
    There is a state highway M-136. The treasure could be in the 22nd mile? (Taking 136 and 22 from the solution to the equation on the chalk board.)
    There is also a state highway M-22, but it does not intersect M-136.
    Near M-22, there is a town in Michigan called White Cloud (tears into clouds?) map: white cloud, michigan - Google Maps
    White Cloud is next to Manistee State Forest (ManisTEE may relate to the teacups --> t-shirts pun on the page)

    Your note about the mortar and pestle is appropriate, too. There are very few items on top of cabinets in each room, and I think we are intended to notice those.

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    Domino,

    I'm getting the feeling some of these clues lead elsewhere in the book. That '39 Clues' made me think of this: Use '39' from the periodic table. That becomes the 'Y Clues'. Just like I stated earlier that the equation for 'Y' is actually a reference to 'HIGHWAY' (Y = WHY = HWY), then this thing is giving you something about 'HIGHWAY CLUES'. Since it's sitting under the leg of that table, I'm assuming 'HIGHWAY CLUES = LEGS'....


    ...which takes me to the tenth floor with the three items depecting 'legs' in the sand: stool = 3 legs, snake = 0 legs, and the spider with its abnormal 7 legs.

    But, who really knows at this point?

    I'm more or less concentrating on the twelfth floor at the moment, and I'm wondering if it's some sort of maze.

    At the top of the room is the cabinet that appears to depict GOLD as I stated earlier.

    At the bottom of the room is one of the anagram puzzles of the kitchen: CLOVES + JAR + I'S (eyes) = COVERS JAILS = BARS.

    It was lead bars that were stolen and perhaps we are supposed to move through the room in some fashion to eventually wind up at the top section where they become GOLD?

    I'll think some more on all of this tonight.

    Any idea what molecule the portrait in the kitchen of the twelfth floor is displaying? I think we're going to need to know what it is to complete the puzzles in the kitchen.

    Doc

    PS--I'll be in the tweleve chat after dinner if anyone wishes to discuss the puzzles.

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    Nice thinking folks. Doc, there is a book series called The 39 Clues which may or may not hold some hints as well. Since the series revolves around puzzle solving and it is in the Clock book, seems likely but could be a red herring.

    With that said, there may end up being a clue(s) where we figure that something of a certain color, red or not, turns out to be a red herring.

    I do like your no leg thoughts Doc. I had figured it to be 387 or 3 & 7 and was going to revisit the 3 CLEF 7 idea someone had suggested but 307 definately qualifies. 387 is Berwyn, MD if used as an area code. Or someone on the 3rd floor ATE something from the 7th (joke). On the other hand, 307 serves the ENTIRE state of Wyoming. Then again, and most likely, these could simply be a piece of a larger puzzle using a set of numbers...or something entirely different...mwaaaaaahahaha.

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    Default "Out of Place" items

    The known "stolen" items that were found in other apartments are one thing, but I felt there were other items that had been stolen or displaced and were not reported during Dodge's investigation. Either that, or they just strike me as being out of place in each room.

    My list:
    12 - The lemonade machine next to the toilet seems like it came from the 7th floor, with all its carnival food machines.

    11- The elbow box? The enlarged dollar on the wall (looks like modern art from 13th floor)? The vipers (from 2nd floor).

    10 - Stool in sandy room. Slugs (?) near lion.

    9 - lemons on cutting board and kitchen table. Missile (from 11) and piggy bank on kitchen cabinet.

    8 - cans (?) on bathroom floor look like part of the collection on 11th floor (look at the stack on the kitchen window, not the one in the bedroom). Stool on chair. False teeth on night stand in parents' room.

    7 - Clay (?) head on dressing room counter. Rake on floor near loose board (or is that used to take a prize off the wall in the midway?). Large exotic plant from 10th floor. Worn out teddy bear on floor behind couch from floor 8?

    6 - Melted candle? This may be a motif, though. Seems like a 12th floor item, but they are found in other rooms as well. Crate coffee table from floor 5?

    5 - Rubik's cube - I know they are puzzle people, but this seems out of place. Why unpack only one other puzzle? Why are there no linens on the bed? (Did they throw the sheets over something else to hide it?) Belt hanging out of box of cleaning supplies. Tea cup on kitchen floor. Only one item in corner of kitchen (arrow on box points to it) is covered with a sheet.

    4 - Barbell in room with green wheel. (This sticks out because there is no apparent hamster barbell in the room.) Lifeguard chair by empty (?) fish tank. Fruit images over four water bottles. Fancy red suitcase outside apartment door.

    3 - Melted candles - bedroom. Flowers on kitchen table. One glass wine, one martini on table (but only one inhabitant, and she was making a plaster cast). Pottery and the orange sculpture are not consistent with the occupant's focus on self-portraits. Also - is the kiln supposed to be the equivalent of a fireplace?

    2 - welcome mat, hot plate over door (lower center), fish tank, pink eye picture, telescope.

    1 - bugs (?) on top of grandfather clock, cereal (?) on table next to clock, boots next to chalk board, lighthouse and snowman on headboard and footboard of bed.

    These are the things that struck me as out of place as I made my latest scan of the book.

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    I'm going to have to invest in one of those fluorescent reading lamps with a magnifying glass.

    Thanks for that list, MayorSara. That's gonna make me ponder about a possible maze that runs throughout the book.

    I'm gonna sit here and work on the twelfth floor. I'm getting the distinct impression that there are distinct mini-puzzles that yield their own clues. I'm trying really hard not to force them into preconceived notions and just seeing what falls out.

    This is how I'm dividing the twelfth floor:

    1. The kitchen
    2. The entry
    3. The machine in the middle of the room
    4. The periodic table with its out-of-place 'Mi'
    5. The fireplace
    6. The blackboard
    7. The bank of drawers
    8. The bedroom

    I'm getting the impression that each one of these has a discrete answer. I haven't figured out if we're to use all of these to solve for each jewel--some may be red herrings--and I don't know if there's a certain path we're supposed to take.

    We'll see how this works out,

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    Default A notion about directionality

    I can't find the original post (may have been on another site) but someone asked whether there was a way to figure out which sides of the apartment building faces north/south/east/west. It occurs to me that it may not be as important to figure out the compass points in the fictional world, but it would be very important to figure out direction at the treasure sites.

    What if the numbers in the elevator shaft were treated as the numbers on a clock face? You orient each page as closely as possible to the position on a traditional clock, with 12 being due north, 3 being due east, etc. As far as I can tell, the inside of each elevator shaft is identical (making the mystery of the 10th floor smudge the one exception), so Gus must have included them in the drawing for a reason that is not dependent on on-site clues.

    A further note about direction: I believe the L-shaped cabinets on each floor may have something to do with direction. If Doc's good sleuthing about the rooms as rebuses is correct, maybe the L-shaped shelves provide pointers about "turning" toward or away from things. Do they serve as arrows? Or, if my theory about each floor being the face of a clock is correct, maybe the L-shaped cabinets serve as the hands of a clock? (Some floors have more than one L-shape, however, and some appear to have none. Although the floor boards on the 6th floor create a giant L....)

    Random idea:
    Someone got an e-mail from Gus Twintig joking about donut holes. Maybe the donuts on each floor provide a clue about the hole in which the treasure is buried.

    Mea Culpa:
    Looking back at Floor Four, I see that I was wrong about the human-size barbell not having a hamster-sized match. I overlooked the smaller barbell, even though it was nearby. So the barbell may be a clue, but it probably doesn't fit my "out of place" list drawn up last night.

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    Default Lemons, bananas, ducks

    I had been planning to comb through and find all the lemons but now I think I may have found a larger pattern. Or I may just need to put the book away and go for another walk.

    Lemons are found on
    12 - A giant one is tied with a belt to Quello's machine. A lemonade making machine (from the carnival midway on Floor 7?) is next to the toilet.

    9 - Two lemons on kitchen table, 1.5 (sliced) on cutting board.

    1 - One lemon on top of grandfather clock, another on top of wardrobe.

    Bananas are found on
    11 - bedroom

    8 - peel on kitchen table and a peeled banana under the table.

    6 - peel in "talking room"

    4 - 1 banana in kitchen; picture of a banana in room with cedar chips.

    Rubber ducks are found on
    10 - in bathtub

    8 - in bathtub

    7 - in dunk tank

    The only floor where there is overlap among these items is that Floor 8 has both bananas and a rubber duck. In other words, are these small yellow items mutually exclusive?

    Can the yellow items relate to obscure info of possible relevance to Ida Mayfield's stolen zucchini? Ida made a point of telling Dodge that she bought a bushel of zucchini in 1983 and got an amazing price. When I googled "zucchini 1983," I learned that there was a disease called "Zucchini Yellow Mosaic Virus" going around that year - I kid you not. (And the symbol on the 2nd floor representing a company that uses irradiation to prevent produce diseases tells me that diseases of produce are not outside the scope of this mystery.) Maybe we are being told to put together a yellow mosaic?

    The only floors without either a duck, banana or lemon are 5, 3 and 2. Do they have other yellow items that might fit the pattern?

    OK. Time for me to take a walk.

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    Last night, during my sleuthing on the twelfth floor, I happened upon three things I'd like to discuss in ascending order: a specific clue about the fireplace, a specific location found, and What Might Be Happening with the game in general.

    1. On the left of the room is a 'FIREPLACE' and on the floor next to it is a lamp 'SHADE'. These are two clues that lead to the same word. The 'FIREPLACE' is literally a 'FIRE PLACE' and the SHADE is an angram: HADES. For some reason, we're being led to the word 'HADES'. Personally, I think it's the start of a word puzzle involving 'UNDER WORLD', but I don't recall seeing a globe or picture of the Earth somewhere else in the book. Do you recall one? I'll think on this some more. I'm trying not to force any answers.

    2. Last night, I solved the entry room, and it led to a specific site in the form suggested by the book: state - highway - mile. I think it's a good solution. At the same time, I feel pretty strongly that there's no jewel buried there, which I find somewhat interesting.

    The reason I'm thinking there's no jewel there is that the solution didn't use nearly enough clues that are lurking in that room.

    The solution involves word puzzles, and they're kinda neat once you start knowing what to do.

    The three pictures on the wall depict a ROCK, HE (which leads us back to the periodic table after this), and SPACE.

    1. Sound out the three words as a rebus: ROCK + HE + SPACE = ROCKY SPACE.

    2. This answer is a type of word puzzle that I think we'll have to become intimately familiar with before all this is said and done: a 'spoonerism'. I suggest looking it up and understanding how this particular sort of word puzzle functions.

    Basically, you exchange the sounds of the firsts of the words. Sound it out.

    ROCKY SPACE becomes SPOCK ERASE.

    This is an instruction to remove the letters in 'SPOCK' from ROCKY SPACE.

    3. ROCKY SPACE - 'SPOCK' = R Y ACE

    4. Spell out the letters: R = ARE, Y = WHY, and leave ACE as is.

    ARE WHY ACE

    Do you see it?

    AR - E. HWY. ACE = 1.

    It turns out that highway 1 runs down the eastern side of Arkansas.

    At this point, you need the mile marker.

    5. The original 'He' links this to the periodic table on this floor. Sitting there, circled in red, is our abbreviation for 'Mile'. Mi = 18. It's even substituting for Ar, which is a nice confirmer.
    ___________________________

    That being said, I do NOT think there's a jewel hiding there, so I'm not bothering going to look. Feel free to give it a whirl if you like the solution well enough.

    The reason I don't think there's anything hiding there: this didn't include nearly enough of the clues hiding on this floor.

    This leads me to my final point about What Might Be Happening.

    3. The Blackboard: I played around with the clues on the blackboard and the oddest-looking answers popped up. I'm getting the distinct impression that this blackboard is meant to be a teaching mechanism (as is the other blackboard on another floor). These aren't specific to their respective floors, but are meant as a sort of instructions to be used for all the jewels.

    What I got for the blackboard was three states--more specifically two states and one city--three 'roads'--and by that I mean simply ROAD, STREET, and HIGHWAY. Not actual roads or interstates, but just ROAD, STREET, and HIGHWAY. Finally, I got three numbers.

    Three states, three 'roads', three numbers.

    The final clue on that blackboard doesn't appear to be a chemical formula. I think it's a CONSTELLATION, namely the SUMMER TRIANGLE.

    Think about that.

    'Summer'--not as a season of the year, but as 'one who sums'.

    Three states, highways, and numbers.

    Are these floors a triangulation puzzle?

    That surely would explain several things if that were the case.

    Continuing to sleuth,

    Doc

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