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    This might be helpful:

    50states.com State Nickname List

    Since we know each page leads to a state, I've been trying to work backwards, starting with a state and seeing if I can find it in on any of the floors.

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    Also, grab the wiki with the state flags and misc. info like bird, song, date entered into the union etc. Nice to have a printed copy at your fingertips while reading and puzzling the book.
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    Notice on the last page they mixed up the order of Gerbil-boy from the 4th floor with Vera and Josie from the 5th.

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    Top of the day on a hot, muggy morning in the state of Louisiana!

    I'm still on this word puzzle stuff, and so far, so good.

    I keep reminding my self that 'logical' doesn't necessarily mean 'correct'.

    This isn't easy stuff. If this is actually what we're meant to be doing, those clock numerals are in no danger of being dug up in the immediate future.

    The buildings/residents appear to be a similar series of puzzles.

    Having worked for several days on the puzzles contained in the book with the 'Glyph' street sign in it, I recognized a couple of things about the buildings.

    The illustration of Turnky Towers with its blackened windows is a clue to remove letters from the residents of the ninth and tenth floors. The ninth floor shows to remove the first three letters; the tenth floor shows to remove the last two letters.

    The building that can be immediately recognized is the capitol building in Washington. I've run across that particular word puzzle in 'The World's Greatest Treasure Hunt', and I knew what it implied as far as a word puzzle.

    The solution to each one of these appears to be a word puzzle command that adds, removes, or changes letters.

    I spent several hours last night and completed the first two, or so I think. I'll try to make my way down the buildings/residents over the coming days. It's slow going--one makes a gazillion mistakes before hitting on something that looks promising.

    Let me try to illustrate what I'm talking about:

    1. The Turnky Towers building implies that we remove the last two letters from the tenth floor, GENERAL KLOBBERDUCK.

    Anagramming the remaining letters: LANDLUBBER GREEK O

    A 'landlubber' is one who doesn't go into water. The version of this that works for us as a word command is NO SEA, or No C. In other words, we drop a 'C'.

    GREEK O is OMICRON which turns into MORONIC or DUMB.

    DUB M. In other words, we'll add an 'M'.

    Once we start solving the row of buildings and we manage to get to Klobberduck's, apparently we'll remove 'C' and add an 'M'.

    2. The 'Washington' building corresponds to the mime. 'Washington' actually tells you what to do with those peculiar letters of the mime's name.

    WASHINGTON anagrams to SIGN ON WHAT.

    It's a riddle. What do we 'sign on'? A DOTTED LINE.

    It's a clue to use MORSE CODE.

    Convert the letters in BERT and DGRNP into morse code. Change the spacings into something we can use for word puzzles.

    The morse code BERT is respaced into THE TET. The morse code DGRNP changes to TIM IN TIME.

    You solve each piece. 'THE TET' means OFFENSIVE. TIM IN TIME means 1ST THREE LETTERS.

    OFFENSIVE = OFF E, N IS V, and has 'E' leftover which you use with the next part.

    The '1st three letters' are A, B, and C which combine to form CAB or TAXI. Anagram TAXI to 'I TAX' and you have the 'IRS'.

    Combine that leftover 'E' with 'IRS' and you get SIRE or KING.

    Anagrams to INK G, which is the word puzzle command we were looking for.

    When you work your way down the row of buildings and arrive at the mime's position:

    OFF E, N IS V, INK G

    In other words, we'll remove the E and G and change N to V.

    This stuff isn't easy by any stretch of the imagination, but they're good exercise for the gray cells.

    If the floors of the book represent a vertical maze that contains 12 different 'solutions' that give actual dig spots, we'll need some instructions on how to navigate, and that's what I'm expecting at the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc View Post
    This isn't easy stuff. If this is actually what we're meant to be doing, those clock numerals are in no danger of being dug up in the immediate future.

    The solution to each one of these appears to be a word puzzle command that adds, removes, or changes letters.

    If the floors of the book represent a vertical maze that contains 12 different 'solutions' that give actual dig spots, we'll need some instructions on how to navigate, and that's what I'm expecting at the end.

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    Holy friggin cow. Nice work, Doc. The things you have uncovered fit with some of the ideas that are starting to form in my mind. "Leftover" letters may be the key (Ternky?) to solving the locations of each emerald number.

    I have been running every TCWAF phrase I can think of through various anagram websites. Some don't work well; others immediately leap out at me as having connections to other floors. (On the Wikia site, I offered "Logan's Run Bath Mat" and "Elevator Shaft" as two examples.)

    Many of the anagrams that seem to point to another floor, however, are not perfect anagrams. When I tinker with the website suggestion to get a real phrase or a better fit, there are often one or two letters left over.

    In some cases, I think the letter may correspond to a symbol for an element on the Periodic Table. In other cases, the anagram points to a Greek letter (confirming some of your approach to sleuthing) that looks like a letter of the English alphabet. There may be more hidden codes: Roman numerals, homophones ("T" and "tea" is an obvious match).

    I don't know whether cracking the codes for the emerald location associated with each floor will require tracing a path through all twelve floors. My current theory is that, for each floor, solving the "leftover letter" clues will require something like the magic square on floor five. [Vera and Josie say they are puzzle people, and perhaps their covered boxes represent unopened clues.] You will know you have the right letters in the right order if you can make a 4 X 4 word puzzle with eight words (or numbers?) that make sense in both directions. So it may be that you have to find only four matches for each row of the magic square, not a single path with twelve locations. [Of course, magic squares come in a number of sizes. There may be additional clues to tell us how big the square will be for a given apartment, if the model on floor 5 cannot be presumed to apply to all other apartments.]

    Thank you for sharing your big breakthrough! It's a sunny day in western Massachusetts, and your generous insights have further helped to bring the sun out.
    - Sara

    P.S. While I'm thinking of Floor 5, has anyone else noticed that the text says, "A mote of dust wafted throught the lamplight," but all the lamps in the apartment are covered? Note to self: Add "lamplight" to the list of anagrams to be explored.... Or return to the lightbulbs in the sink and the lamps in the bedroom of Floor 11 and see what might be implied for lamp-related clues.

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    I noticed something in the boxes of floor five.
    This is supposed to be a "magic square" right?
    Well a true magic square is where all of the rows, columns and diagonals add up to the same number.
    The rows and columns do here, but...

    The diagonals do not!
    Sorry don't have book with me, but one diagonal totals 12, the other 26.
    12 = clock numbers?
    26 = Letters of the alphabet?

    I have not be able to do anything with this yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flannelcat View Post
    Notice on the last page they mixed up the order of Gerbil-boy from the 4th floor with Vera and Josie from the 5th.
    Hi Flannelcat,

    I noticed that too - also, Bevel Ternky is in the 'wrong' order too

    Reading left to right, this is the residents floor order:

    12-11-10-9-8-7-13-6-4-5-3-2-1


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    Garbers,

    I hadn't noticed that. I like the numbers that pop up, but like you, I have no initial ideas if the numbers are significant or not.

    I don't recall having seen this posted, but I'm assuming you realize the boxes with the stripes contained in the individual rooms of the fifth floor are coordinates for the 4 x 4 grid? I have no idea what we're to do with the resulting numbers, any more than the various H/S/M combinations on the different floors.

    Sara,

    I appreciate the kind words. I'm not really calling this a 'breakthrough' as yet; I'm just sharing the work I'm doing. I'd caution you about randomly anagramming stuff--anagrams are notoriously unreliable. The stuff I'm anagramming generally has some sort of purpose.

    I'll reiterate that these word puzzles are NOT easy, and they're somewhat subjective. I can't really explain when that 'aha' feeling hits that makes me think I've gotten one solved.

    I'm beginning to make my way down the row of buildings. It took me 2-3 hours just to figure out the first two. What I'm posting as the so-called 'solutions' to these things is the result of many, many false starts before I arrive at what 'feels right'.

    I'll tell you something else--after 3-4 days of work, I arrived at a final answer to the book with the Glyph St sign.

    The solution of the book appears to give the starting places for each numeral's puzzle inside the vertical maze.

    Since the final solution to that book appears so good, I'm devoting a lot of time to the row of buildings to see what pops out there.

    I plan on posting the solution to that book over the coming days. If it's correct, you'll understand what we're up against in the main part of the book. If it isn't correct, I've done enough brain exercise to last until Christmas.

    I'm down for chat anytime over the weekend if anyone wants to just meet up and exchange ideas.

    Doc

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    Default Can't wait!

    I get my copy on Wednesday and I have the feeling I'm going to be very tired on Thursday at work.

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