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    Two questions:

    1. Does anyone recognize any of the buildings besides the U.S. Capital?

    2. The bird in the tree on Floor 10 with its wings outstretched looks really familiar to me, but I can't put my finger on from where. A symbol of... something. Any thoughts?

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    Default Bird on tenth floor - pinion link?

    Quote Originally Posted by nsalon View Post
    Two questions:

    1. Does anyone recognize any of the buildings besides the U.S. Capital?

    2. The bird in the tree on Floor 10 with its wings outstretched looks really familiar to me, but I can't put my finger on from where. A symbol of... something. Any thoughts?
    Hi nsalon. The parrot (or macaw) on Floor 10 is posed a bit like an eagle on the U.S. seal. If that allusion is intended, you could look for ties to the dollar bills throughout the building, or look for the 13 arrows the eagle usually clutches in its talons or the olive branch.

    Or the parrot with outstretched wings could tie into another theme I have been mulling over. I think the interlocking clues in the building are intended to function as a big clock - the visual clues become cogs in the clockwork and somehow fit together to make the hands turn.

    A "pinion" is a kind of interlocking cog one would find in a clock. It is also the name for the long feathers your would find on the outer edge of a bird's wing. So the wings on this parrot (as well as the wing in the laundry hamper on Floor 9, and possibly the wings on two artifacts in Ternky's apartment) could tie into this clockwork theory.

    Just one possibility.

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    I'm getting nowhere on the buildings.

    The interconnectedness is quite overwhelming. There seem to be more connections among rooms than are necessary, or I'm really over-reaching on some of them:

    Doors
    Rings
    Water
    Wires
    Arrows
    Shapes (heart, moon, circle/ring, star)
    Music
    Circus
    Candles/Fire/Lamps? (separate category?)
    Rockets
    Toys/Balls
    Fruit/Carrots
    Trash bags
    Art works (paintings, sculptures)
    Tea cups/pots
    Donuts
    Shoes
    Cereal boxes
    Cleaning supplies (Brillo, brooms, mops, vacuums)
    Clocks
    Video games
    Cameras
    Books
    Ships/submarines
    Canes
    Toothbrushes
    Weapons (guns, knives, ropes)
    (Just had an idea - what are all the weapons in Clue? Knife, rope, candlestick, wrench, lead pipe, revolver. Ok, file that away. This is how my mind works)
    Newspapers
    Marshmallows
    Ladders
    Chairs

    On the up side, I think I know what the red handkerchief is about, well, at least what the reference is. There's a con game called the Texas Twist where conspirators switch jewels or money wrapped up in a red handkerchief for shredded newspaper wrapped up the same way. Person A plays innocent person flashing money around, asks person B for help. While B is helping, A enlists C to also help (A and C are conspiring). There is some setup involving a game of three card monte, where eventually B and C are supposed to be ganging up against A, but C betrays B (and maybe there's one more bit involving holding the money while B gets more?). The gist is, A and C switch a red handkerchief bundle of B's goods for an identical bundle of shredded newspaper. It's also called the handkerchief trick. There can also be more people in on the conspiracy than A and C, and the original story setup (which I omit here, it's why B helps A) sounds more than a little racist. But it seems to fit. For me, it ties Ida's newspapers and money ironing to Munari's red handkerchief and to Krieger (chili, lone star, and his name being twisty is what started me on this search).

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    Hey Doc you seem to have a lot of knowledge about cracking puzzles and what not. I was just curious on what methods do you use to figure these things out? I know you use anagrams but like the one where it said Gideon was never born. Where did you get angel out of that?

    Also one the first floor in the middle of the carpet the pattern seems to be different from the others. I know that one post said where all the items on the different floors were and it said the zucchini was possibly on the 1st floor. So it seems to me that it could be a zucchini but who knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garbers*5 View Post
    I noticed something in the boxes of floor five.
    This is supposed to be a "magic square" right?
    Well a true magic square is where all of the rows, columns and diagonals add up to the same number.
    The rows and columns do here, but...

    The diagonals do not!
    Sorry don't have book with me, but one diagonal totals 12, the other 26.
    12 = clock numbers?
    26 = Letters of the alphabet?

    I have not be able to do anything with this yet.
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    Stig,

    It's a variety of word puzzle techniques--anagrams are just one part.

    GIDEON WAS can be anagrammed into a mini-riddle:

    GIDEON SAW

    What 'Gideon saw' was an ANGEL. Anagram ANGEL to ANGLE.

    I have no evidence that's actually correct--just showing you how my mind works at these things.

    Doc

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    Quote Originally Posted by StiG View Post
    Also one the first floor in the middle of the carpet the pattern seems to be different from the others. I know that one post said where all the items on the different floors were and it said the zucchini was possibly on the 1st floor. So it seems to me that it could be a zucchini but who knows.
    I see the number 262 in the carpet.

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    Hi! I am new here, been lurking for a couple of days! Is there anyone near New York that might want to try to dig for me? I think I have a couple very solid clues!

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    Default An Overall Approach

    I'm going to make a few separate posts today because they're too lengthy to do all at once.

    Several days ago, Doc shared some hunches and some sleuthing that helped me enormously. An excerpt:

    Quote Originally Posted by Doc View Post
    What Might Be Happening with the game in general.

    The Blackboard: I played around with the clues on the [12th Floor] blackboard and the oddest-looking answers popped up. I'm getting the distinct impression that this blackboard is meant to be a teaching mechanism (as is the other blackboard on another floor). These aren't specific to their respective floors, but are meant as a sort of instructions to be used for all the jewels.

    What I got for the blackboard was three states--more specifically two states and one city--three 'roads'--and by that I mean simply ROAD, STREET, and HIGHWAY. Not actual roads or interstates, but just ROAD, STREET, and HIGHWAY. Finally, I got three numbers.

    Three states, three 'roads', three numbers.

    The final clue on that blackboard doesn't appear to be a chemical formula. I think it's a CONSTELLATION, namely the SUMMER TRIANGLE.

    Think about that.

    'Summer'--not as a season of the year, but as 'one who sums'.

    Three states, highways, and numbers. Are these floors a triangulation puzzle? That surely would explain several things if that were the case. Continuing to sleuth,

    Doc
    The key items for me in Doc's thinking were the use of the blackboards as clues to overall game strategy, and the idea of finding clues in triangular groups. Here are some of my current lines of thinking (along with some background info to show why I think this might be worth pursuing).

    1. Colors and a giant Clock
    On the 12th Floor blackboard is a diagram of three circles connected by two lines. Taken together with Doc's theory about the Summer Triangle constellation, I thought it was worth looking for things happening in threes.

    On the first inside page of the book is a smallish illustration showing what appears to be some informal sketches made by our hero Gus. I interpret the right-hand side of that illustration as a direction to look for groupings of things that are green, yellow and red: starting from the arrow, the page shows a window with a GREEN plant, a window with a YELLOW water balloon and three jewels (Ruby + Emerald + Diamond = RED). We are supposed to look for these GYR COMBINATIONS (= combination lock).

    One successful example (I believe) can be found at the dunk tank on Floor 7. In the middle of the triangle formed by the green soap, red washcloth and yellow duck you can faintly make out the letter "P" on the surface of the water. (Or this may be the Greek letter - is it Rho?) On the other hand, the "clockwise" G-Y-R combination at this location would use the red dot on the target for the red coordinate, putting a (shampoo?) bottle in the middle of the triangle.... So there's plenty of work still to do to find and interpret the G-Y-R groupings.

    To continue with Gus' sketch: The illustration also shows the clock from the top of the building with a green question mark where the inner workings of the clock should be. It took me awhile, but I believe that G-Y-R from the color clue is supposed to double as "GEAR". Each one of these G-Y-R threesomes can be thought of as a gear in the workings of a clock that is encased in the 13-floor building. Our job is to find all of the "gears" and see how they fit together.

    Next: More variations on threesomes.

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    Welcome aboard, Red! I'm way down south, so I can't help, or I would.

    Does anybody have a good feel about What's Going On inside this puzzle they'd like to share?

    I'm starting work on the main body of the puzzle, and I admit to being in the dark.

    I see the makings of a 'vertical maze', but there appears to be a SHM clue at EVERY stop!

    Why?

    On their web site, the authors state the clues to find the precise digging location can be found in the book.

    Here's the problem: if you're digging a hole according to a state/highway/mile clue and your hole is one foot away, you'll miss the target. I would think SOMETHING has to give an exact spot. Either you figure it out once you arrive on the scene--something like a rock or a stake, etc.--or the SHM is somehow 'converted' to HMS (hour/minute/second) which is awfully close to GPS.

    Here's my question to myself: If we are collecting SHM's along a path, are they red herrings or do they somehow combine to create a precise spot?

    I'm interested in listening to some different ideas....

    Doc

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