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    2. Nsalon, you're absolutely correct that the 24, 25, and 26 are X, Y, and Z. You already have stated that the three animals are a simple riddle for KANSAS. You have a specific number to attached to 'Y', which is 25. What's your mile clue?

    24, 25, 26 are a riddle.

    Its answer is LAST THREE LETTERS.

    Collect the last three letters of LION, TIGER, and BEAR.

    You'll find EAR REGION, which is where you found the numbers in the first place, which is a nice confirmer you're doing it right.
    Thanks, Doc. Everything just came together with a very satisfying "click". I think those confirmers are going to be important as we delve into the metapuzzle. Very cleverly done. I have a whole new way of looking at this now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redbutterfly View Post
    Ok, I can't take it anymore, I have to spill the beans on what I may have come up with on the fourth floor. I wanted to be sneaky and not post anything because I would love to dig this up myself but... I don't live there and can't afford a trip. So if someone would like to team up with me, that would be great!
    The metronome is a clock without a face in NYC. The clue on the website says there was two of everything. The Metronome and Grand Central Station (grand piano) clock are mirrors of each other with a different way of displaying time. These two clocks are bookends for Park Ave. Moon River is the song from Breakfast at Tiffany's which took place in NYC. The Tiffany's in the movie was on 5th Ave, within sight of the Metronome and Grand Central Station. There is a 5 in the woodchips.
    Because there are two of everything, could this mean the number 11 is buried there?
    Siegfried and Plumpjack has something to do with the opera, I haven't worked that one in yet. Metropolitan Opera or NYC opera?
    The tunnels could be part of the subway system there. Inside the room of tunnels if you flip the book upside down, you can see some characters. They look like 4O4UTEP or 4O4UT4P. Haven't figured this part out yet. Hopefully I will tonight.
    The thermometer says 95. I95 goes through New York.
    Jim Steinman wrote "Total Eclipse of the Heart." He was from NYC.
    God, if I only lived there I would take a trip downtown and see if I could see anymore clues!!! I know I am close, I can feel it! It has to be somewhere in those 15 blocks!
    I wish everyone was wrong and this one was in MN like everyone says because that's where I live but I don't think it is.

    What if all the numbers were buried within sight of famous clocks in cities across the US?

    Hey Red sounds nice . The i-95 does run close to my house but unfortunately it doesn't run through Manhattan. It mostly runs through the Bronx into Jersey and into Queens. The only place I think there would be one in NYC would be Central Park. I can't see it being near Grand Central as there are only buildings around there. I'm sure someone would easily find it if it was in plain sight. But good work! I will look into it more.
    -StiG

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    Nsalon,

    I'm open to any and all suggestions. I see these individual puzzles, but I don't yet have a good grasp on the forest.

    I think the authors are really tricky. We know there are state/highway/mile clues because: 1. We're told to find them 2. We can actually find them.

    But, they never actually said that's where we're to dig. It's just implied.

    If we're supposed to turn SHM into HMS, that might imply that S = H, H = M, and M = S, or State = hour, highway = minute, and mile = second.

    I like that at its outset because there are only 50 states, and if a 'state' winds up corresponding to the hour, the 49th parallel forms the northern border of the United States.

    In other words if we're led to some sort of 'state', we might actually be collecting its number as part of a HMS reading.

    Continuing to ponder,

    Doc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc View Post
    On their web site, the authors state the clues to find the precise digging location can be found in the book.

    Here's the problem: if you're digging a hole according to a state/highway/mile clue and your hole is one foot away, you'll miss the target. I would think SOMETHING has to give an exact spot. Either you figure it out once you arrive on the scene--something like a rock or a stake, etc.--or the SHM is somehow 'converted' to HMS (hour/minute/second) which is awfully close to GPS.

    Doc
    There's no doubt in my mind that the State/Highway/Mile notion is a red herring. This clue came from Vera and Josie, after all, and we know we can't trust them. So what does it mean?

    Second/Hour/Minute seems like a logical alternative, as longitude and latitude are stated in terms of degrees, minutes and seconds. Something about that seems too obvious to me, though.

    In keeping with the idea of trios and threesomes, what if S/H/M stands for side/hypotenuse/median? Or sum/hole/mean? (When I looked at a website with a glossary of math terms, I clicked on the word "hole" and a mobius strip and a donut-looking thing called a torus came up. The mobius is on the blackboard on Floor 12, and the donuts -- well, you know.) I don't think we should assume that the 5th floor ladies gave us good information when they directed us toward "state" and "highway". I think the numbers we are finding will lead to a different S/H/M altogether.

    And speaking of the 5th Floor and S/H/M, the ladies there are using a book called The 39 Clues as a SHIM to keep their table level. 39 is the atomic number for Yttrium, the element I think is connected to Yellow and to Paul Quello. 39 is also the product of 13 (floors in the building) X 3 (the system of trio clues I think is at work throughout the book).

    Sadly, I think Doc and I are going to have to agree to disagree about the letter Y. He thinks it means highway, I think it means Yttrium and Yellow. Who knows? Maybe we'll both be right. I doubt they are using the same system for all 12 treasures....

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    I doubt they are using the same system for all 12 treasures....

    i was just thinking that very same thing

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    StiG ,high res are great, good job done StiG

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    I'm alternating between looking at every tiny little thing in great detail and trying to see meta-clues.

    Lots of cultural references - Gary Indiana reviewed a show by David Buckner that featured paintings of marshmallows. Buckner has also done freeways, trucks, and UFOs. The Tse Tse gallery (Catherine Levy is one owner) has an animated game on their website that lets you catch or drop vases. Cameron Jamie does films that include apartment wrestling, legendary creatures, people decorating their houses for Halloween and masks. Lee DeMarbre has a series of films about Harry Knuckles, a detective, including H.K. and the Pearl Necklace, about a jewelry robbery involving Bigfoot.

    For meta-clues, I noticed two things but can't make them do anything for me:
    1) an alchemist changes the state of things (liquid, gas, solid, plasma)
    2) Vera Miles was an actress (in Psycho among other things) and Josie Miles was a singer (Cross Word Papa/You Sure Puzzle Me), both have ties to Kansas

    One difficulty is keeping separate which clues lead to solving the maze in the book and which lead to finding the numbers in the real world.

    So far I'm happy to let you folks handle the anagrams - and thanks for your hard work on all of it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elrohir View Post
    Indeed, they were a pair of calling cards left by my daughters and I when we went on a quick dig in that location. We didn't dig very deeply, as the ground seemed undisturbed when we arrived.
    Elrohir, cool, im thinking about a dig spot this wkd, i guess ill leave a card too
    im glad its not to far,as i still havent worked the dig here spot yet, hoping
    something will jump out at me, itll be fun, do a little fishing too

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    Quote Originally Posted by cw0909 View Post
    StiG ,high res are great, good job done StiG
    Yea they came out really good. My magnifyig glass wasn't doing the trick so that's what I came up with. Anyone else who wants them just pm me and I'll send them over.
    -StiG

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