# Thread: The Clock Without a Face

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## Newbie

Hi, just received the book today and trying to catch up to forum. You folks are just great.

One thing that I have not read but noticed on 13, next to the 3 keys on the table by the bathroom is a DAISY, ROSE, SCOTTY

Quickly anagramming:
A DICEY STORY TOSS
ITS STORY AS DECOY

or
TIED COSY AS STORY

or a favorite with ROSE(S)
IT'S STORY SAYS CODE

my half a penneth as a starter. (I apologize if any of this repeats.)

2. Something has been bugging me about the book, and I finally realized what it is---I can't look thru the pages. Now that's pretty obvious, right, but what if it was designed purposely that way?

I can imagine the conversation went something like this:

Hey! We can't make the pages out of paper, because people will stack pages and look thru a light to see juxtapositions of important clues...

Yeah, you're right, the game would be up early in that case, so let's make the pages out of hardboard.

But what about simply copying pages? They could cheat it out easy that way.

We'll just have to make the book a big, bulky, odd shape so they will be discouraged from doing that.

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So I think I'll take my book for a visit to Kinko's tomorrow and get full-sized transparancies of each floor. Then I'll align them by the elevator shaft and see how one floor might impact another. Ha! Sounds like a plan.

P/

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Jaymc,

Welcome aboard, and thanks!

I haven't worked on that particular grouping at all, but there was something about it that made my antennae wiggle a little bit....

STORY'S START IS CODE KEY
HE YES

For some reason, I'm thinking that 'might' be correct. 'He' and 'Yes' make me think 'opposites' which would be 'she' and 'no'. I keep thinking about that final diagram on the black board with its KNOTHOLE and HOLE. 'Not whole' and 'whole': opposites. 'There were two of everything' that was mentioned in an earlier post from today.

I'll think on this some more,

Doc

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Hi everyone, I am new here, but I have a story to share about the 9th floor.

I have enjoyed reading through the messages here (and elsewhere on the web) about the insane amount of detail that some of you are capable of putting into this puzzle. I applaud and revere your dizzying commitment and skills. I am not at that level of game playing, but I was able to spend some time at milepost one, I-84, Idaho over the past two days. Here is what we found.

Not much.

But that was a bit expected, wasn't it? Milepost one is smack dab in a rest stop just over the Idaho border from Oregon. We had hoped that the multitude of historical signs and information there would prompt us closer to the solution, but to no avail. There were no obvious dig spots by any trees, or landmarks of any kind. There were no landmarks in the vicinity, only vacant roadsides on either side, and across the street. We looked for patterns in tree placement, picnic tables, even checked a hillside for evidence of broken terra-cotta (grasping for a Gideon clue, since the rest stop is on an overgrown hillside.)

After our second attempt, in as many days, we were fairly well decided that there is more to be deciphered about this clue, and perhaps a better match for the location. We made contact with the site management, and after social engineering him a bit to make him friendlier (Nascar works wonders here, tip for you others who may attempt this spot) he confided that he himself has been searching this spot for over a month. He knew all the clues (although I think he was a bit twisted on one, but who am I to say?) and showed me the only thing close to a number match he had found (on a payphone, and not a total match.) After sharing that we had been scanning the hillside for clues (through a tall fence, designed to keep us out) he suggested that we check out his well pumping station, down the hill and not normally accessible to the public. We did, and found only more mud, weeds, and dead ends. But it felt nice to know we had searched the place fairly thoroughly.

A couple of observations we made. 1) If the numbers were hidden in public, but secretly, they either were done under cover of night (likely) or out of sight. 2) If the numbers are hidden somewhere frequented daily, they are likely to be hidden in earth that is not suspicious if it is moved (such as the dog park in the rest stop) 3) It is funny how the circle of dirt, around trees in grass, looks like a donut.

And there you have it. A fun, but ultimately fruitless adventure. I only hope that our look around proves minutely helpful for some other treasure hunter. On that note, has anyone looked at I-184 in Boise? It is short, and right in town. Tallyho!

5. Originally Posted by perchprism
Something has been bugging me about the book, and I finally realized what it is---I can't look thru the pages. Now that's pretty obvious, right, but what if it was designed purposely that way?

I can imagine the conversation went something like this:

Hey! We can't make the pages out of paper, because people will stack pages and look thru a light to see juxtapositions of important clues...

Yeah, you're right, the game would be up early in that case, so let's make the pages out of hardboard.

But what about simply copying pages? They could cheat it out easy that way.

We'll just have to make the book a big, bulky, odd shape so they will be discouraged from doing that.

----------------------------------------

So I think I'll take my book for a visit to Kinko's tomorrow and get full-sized transparancies of each floor. Then I'll align them by the elevator shaft and see how one floor might impact another. Ha! Sounds like a plan.

P/
BINGO! I have been thinkingthe same thing. I have considered a HUGE tracing project to really get something to overlay. I do tink there are only certain parts that need this...like the light circles on 13. We'll see where ths goes.

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I once traced the rooftop on trace and overlaid it on all of the floors. The only thing I saw was that Seth/Set on 13 is happy to hold the telescope.

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## Metronome

Originally Posted by redbutterfly
The metronome is a clock without a face in NYC. The clue on the website says there was two of everything. The Metronome and Grand Central Station (grand piano) clock are mirrors of each other with a different way of displaying time. These two clocks are bookends for Park Ave.

What if all the numbers were buried within sight of famous clocks in cities across the US?
Hi Redbutterfly. Thanks for sharing this. I think you may be onto something with the metronome idea. I'll add the wikipedia link for the sculpture to TCWAF wiki. It may help someone to add to your idea.

I also love the idea of the numbers being buried near famous clocks. That would be a fun way to highlight landmarks around the country (and would help us to narrow the hunt!).

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## Transparencies

Originally Posted by perchprism
Something has been bugging me about the book, and I finally realized what it is---I can't look thru the pages.

So I think I'll take my book for a visit to Kinko's tomorrow and get full-sized transparancies of each floor. Then I'll align them by the elevator shaft and see how one floor might impact another. Ha! Sounds like a plan.

P/
This is a great idea. I'll be curious to hear whether you see a "chutes and ladders" system. Ladders are visible on various floors, and Krieger makes a point of talking about the hidden garbage chutes on each floor. It would be great to discover whether there is a system at work behind the scenes. (And what about that trap door on Jigsy's floor?)

I've also seen the words "interstices", "conduit" and "lacuna" as I've played with some anagrams. Floor 9 clearly has some voids where the room has been rounded off. (You could argue these are filled with wires, so they are not really empty.) It would be interesting to see whether these link up to anything on other floors, perhaps even playing a role in Bakula's claim that he can shrink and go through walls.

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Top of the day on a bright, sunny morning in rural northeastern Louisiana!

A lot has happened with the puzzle on this end in the last couple of days, and I wanted to stop by and share some thoughts.

The book will give us some very precise locations to dig.

These instructions consist of three parts:

1. A state, highway, and mile number
2. A landmark at that location--very possibly a street sign
3. Coordinates to move to the exact location

I'm making this assertion because I cracked it last night. The problem is that I think I might have jumped to the end and solved for the 12 rather than one of the 'regular' ones.

I solved the row of buildings at the bottom of the first two pages.

It leads to a very precise location--55.1 ft to the SSE of a street sign in Washington--but I'm not considering it valid until I can duplicate the methodology inside the main part of the book.

So far, it's looking pretty good.

The solution is based on word puzzles, and the author has kindly provided confirmers along the way.

One of the paths to a numeral begins on the twelfth floor in the alchemist's kitchen. To understand why, you need to solve the book with the green pencil that appears in the beginning on the book. You'll start at the double doors and work your way around the room and exit via the other door.

We have several clues to get us started. A HAT, a MAT, a MOLECULE (which is C2H4O2), an UMBRELLA STAND, DOUBLE DOORS, and some CLOTHES.

MOLECULE = MILE CLUE when I = O. To the astronomers out there, you'll recognize IO as being a MOON, which comes into play soon enough.

CLOTHES = CLOSE = C LOSE.
HAT/MAT means H = M

We're going to take our molecule, our 'mile clue', C2H4O2, and manipulate it according to the clues. We're going to 'lose C' and convert H = M.

C2H4O2 = M4O2 = MMMMOO.

Roman numerals: 100010001000100000
Binary number: 139808

Do you see it?

139808 = 13 9 808 = MI HOH.

Your 'mile clue' is literally a 'molecule'. HOH = H2O.

The mile marker clue = 808.

You'll need to find the state and highway as well.

These aren't easy, and I'm not pretending they are. I'm not headed anywhere to dig until I'm completely satisfied. A point I might make: these SHM are NOT places to dig--I don't think they're actual locations, anymore than some of the times you need to find are actual times. They're just clues for the metapuzzle, which WILL give you an actual SHM.

I'm very slowly working my way along this path. If it concludes as satisfactorily as the row of buildings, then I'll know I've hit it on the head.

Trying to be the tortoise rather than the hare,

Doc

PS--My mantra I keep repeating to myself: 'Gus guessed gorillas. Don't be Gus.'

10. ## Hi, Doc!

Doc,
(It is good to see that you and "Louisiana" are still doing fine.)
As usual, you have such a methodical mind and strategy!
This time, you had better be rewarded with a few emeralds!
AP