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    Default Unsolved Code #7

    In the treasure companion book... unsolved code #7 particularly drew my attention... I was going to place this under the Companion Book section... however I think it will get more attention under a new idea because I would greatly like to hear everyone's input...

    #7 Talks of the Voynich Manuscript. It is considered to be the most mysterious manuscript in the world, and no one can decipher it. Interestingly, it is on page 34 of the companion book, and the picture of the page of the manuscript is also page 34. It is written by no known author or language.

    What I find particularly interesting is the following:

    "One of the illustrations in the book appears to be somehow related to the Sun. The book also shows parts of the sky with unfamiliar constellations. Parts of the book appear to be about alchemy."

    Remember that Rusful is also an alcehmist, and that in the treasure book a really odd looking SUN is found in two places. Also, someone mentioned to me that the dandelion seeds look like constellations. And page 34 of the manuscript looks like DANDELIONS.

    Also of note:"The text is written in an enciphered script, and the drawings are colored in red, blue, brown, yellow, and green."

    The most important part of these two pages of the companion book, however, is the sentence that MS separated from the rest of the paragraphs and put at the end: "The book remains in Yale University's rare book collection under catalog number MS408."



    Maybe someone has some ideas?

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    Jessnet-

    Where do you find the two odd looking suns?

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    Default Re: Unsolved Code #7

    Quote Originally Posted by Jessnet3
    The most important part of these two pages of the companion book, however, is the sentence that MS separated from the rest of the paragraphs and put at the end: "The book remains in Yale University's rare book collection under catalog number MS408."



    Maybe someone has some ideas?
    Someone double-checked that, and apparently MS408 *is* its catalog number.
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    Default Voynich Manuscript

    The most interesting part of this "story" is what MS did to one of the manuscript pages pictures on the right.
    I don't have the link handy, but you can view all of the pages of the Voynich online, I think through the Yale library. The link was on Q4T, but it should be easy enough to find.

    In one of the pictures, I think it is numbered as page 78, Stadther has gone through the image and INTENTIONALLY whited out every other line from the manuscript. When you compare the companion book picture and the real picture, the is no doubt he has done this.

    Why he did it, and what it may mean is still a mystery to me. It may mean absolutely nothing. The line of thought on the other board was that this manuscript may be a hoax. Other stories mentioned in the companion book (Beale, Tut's tomb) have people who doubt their legitimacy.

    I've sat on this one for a little while, but my current feeling is that if I'm not able to do anything with what I think may be a significant clue within a months time, then I'll offer it up to the group.

    The most likely connection between the book and the Voynich, to me at least, was the Nomenclature. They seemed to go together somehow. If you pull up the real pictures you may also notice that a few pages of the Voynich are missing, including page 12.

    Could page 12 of Nomenclature be related to the missing page 12 of Voynich? If they are supposed to be connected could MS be hinting that the Nomenclature is nothing more than a ruse intended to distract? And why did he white out those lines? I still can't make the connection - maybe you can.

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    Default Re: Unsolved Code #7

    Quote Originally Posted by Jessnet3
    "The book remains in Yale University's rare book collection under catalog number MS408."
    Maybe someone has some ideas?
    Probably coincidental and inconsequential but the catalog number 'MS408' begins with Michael Stadther's initials 'MS'.

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    Just for reference, here are the pages of the Voynich included in the companion...

    http://www.voynich.nu/q05/f34r_col.jpe
    http://www.voynich.nu/q05/f33v_col.jpe
    http://www.voynich.nu/q13/f78r_col.jpe - this is the page with every other line mysteriously whited out in the companion
    http://www.voynich.nu/q15/f88r_col.jpe

    Looks kind of familiar, huh?

    What's also a bit weird is that on pg. 34 of the companion, pgs 33 and 34 of the Voynich are displayed in order, but on pg. 35 of the companion, the four different pages shown switch the order of pgs 33 and 34.

    In other words...

    Pg. 34 of Companion : 33, 34 of Voynich
    Pg. 35 of Companion : 34, 33, 78, 88 of Voynich

    I think the lines being erased on pg 78 is extremely significant. Or at least it's a huge hint. Maybe? hmmm

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    Default Translation of p. 78

    If you think it's worth anything, there is apparently an entire book dedicated to deciphering page 78 of the Voynich manuscript:

    Joseph Martin Feely, "Roger Bacon's Cipher: The Right Key Found"
    (pub. 1943)

    Maybe there's something in the translation that would explain what MS thought he had to white out!

    **p.s. has anyone noticed on the "boxes page" that if you do a caesar cipher for the extra letters that they spell out "we fit box j" when anagramed??**

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    Default Re: Translation of p. 78

    Quote Originally Posted by abby926
    **p.s. has anyone noticed on the "boxes page" that if you do a caesar cipher for the extra letters that they spell out "we fit box j" when anagramed??**
    Yep! Check out the 'Images' section on this forum, under P63
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    Goodness... According to a summary I read about Feely's translation, page 78 is about the female repoductive organs. If you look at the image again it's pretty easy to see that the illustrations are depicting fallopian tubes, ovaries, a uterus, etc.



    This is the beginning of page 78, as translated by Feely:
    "the combined stream when well humidified, ramifies; afterward it is broken down smaller; afterward, at a distance, into the fore-bladder it comes [1]. Then vesselled, it is after-a-while ruminated: well humidified it is clothed with veinlets [2]. Thence after-a-bit they move down; tiny teats they provide (or live upon) in the outpimpling of the veinlets. They are impermiated; are thrown down below; they are ruminated; they are feminized with the tiny teats. .... "
    The entire article (which is very long) can be read here

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    Okay, this link was posted in another thread, but I'm going to put it here too because it relates.

    This is an article from Wired that claims the Voynich is just a bunch of nonsense:
    http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.09/rugg.html

    Something that kind of struck me was this picture of the guy who 'decoded' the 'fake' manuscript. Check out the grid he's using! This one is interesting as well. Give anybody any ideas? Hopefully we won't be working with a grid quite THAT big...

    Can't help but notice similarities to some of the things we've been tackling with tho...

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