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    Default 5x5 Grid Solver

    Hi folks --

    Have a set of coordinates and don't know what to do with them??

    I've been able to write a program (using Excel and Visual Basic) that can take any set of coordinates and find all 5x5 alpha encoded messages that can be made from those coordinates.

    The program calculates 5x5 grids based on four parameters: (1) the starting letter of the grid, (2) the initial position of that starting letter, (3) the pattern type, and (4) whether to fill in the pattern in alpha ascending or descending order.

    I've currently programmed in 12 different pattern types, including the more basic top to bottom/left to right variations, as well as 4 different spiral patterns. I can easily add more patterns if necessary.

    The other neat thing the program allows is for you to FIX any of the four variables -- so, for example if you have a set of coordinates and no nothing else about the grid, you can leave all variables unfixed, but if you suspect or know say that the starting letter is "B" you can set that as fixed and allow the other variables to run.

    The output is a record of all the encoded messages, along with the keys to the grid that produced it.

    So -- IF YOU HAVE A SET OF COORDINATES and don't know what to do with them -- contact me. I can run all the alpha grids against them to see what clicks.

    If anyone is interested, feel free to e-mail me offline at bcjohnson3@gmail.com or look for me on Yahoo Messenger as sunwolf3.

    Thanks!
    Bruce

    PS. To run all grid patterns from a set of coordinates (15,000+, with some duplication) takes about 25 minutes on a machine with a decent speed processor.

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    Default Tool Tested Successfully -- even with errors in coordinates

    Hi folks,

    Over a private message, another user gave me one of the codes to see if my tool could crack it.

    The code was:

    5 4 4 5 1 3 5 3 4 5 5 1 1 2 5 4 4 5 1 1 4 5 1 5 4 2 5 4 5 5

    Here was my solution / reply:
    ___________________________________________

    Took me a while because there are a couple of mistakes in your coordinates list, I think??

    Using your list the closest I could get to something was

    SANTAVOSAPALXSR

    But I notice that with a few minor adjustments to your original coordinates

    5 4 4 5 1 3 5 3 4 5 5 1 1 2 5 4 4 5 1 1 4 5 1 5 4 2 5 4 5 5

    (for four of the five letters that need to be changed, one of the coordinates was correct)

    to

    5 4 4 5 1 3 5 3 4 5 5 5 1 2 5 4 4 5 1 5 4 5 2 5 3 2 5 4 1 1 then I get

    SANTAROSALAKESP = Santa Rosa Lake SP

    Which looks like where the Bee token was found.

    If you are certain that your coordinates were all correct, then my tool doesn't have the right pattern included. The pattern that goes with those corrections is:

    P O N M L
    G H I J K
    F E D C B
    W X Y Z A
    V U T S R

    Let me know if you get any you can't solve. This took me about 15 minutes.

    Bruce aka sunwolf3

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    his coordinates are wrong. it does spell out the location. some of the flowers are hard to decide on size (3 vs. 4 and 4 vs 5), but if you look carefully and compare them to the ones around the vicinity it works out fine. there are fewer 5's than his solution posts.

    wilhouse

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    Default 5X5 QUESTION

    So how many 5x5's should it take to solve a puzzle? So far for one I have done 3 puzzles in order to narrow down the number of would be letters.

    Just wondering becaue I am having a heck of a time with these darn things LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilhouse
    his coordinates are wrong.
    I admire the tool Sunwolf has created and the fact that he could crack this one with what looks like errors in it! Most solvers run into problems in situations like this... But the truth is that MS seems to plant typos here and there and I start to think that is intentional to make things harder for automatic code crunchers.

    I just want to point out that this sequence has a direct solution if you allow one key for the columns and one for the rows.

    If you apply these two keys

    COL: 3 2 5 1 4

    ROW: 2 5 4 3 1

    The result becomes (without any changes to the sequence)

    SANTAROSALAKESP.

    In this example the first pair (5,4) translates to (4,3) which is S and so on...

    This sequence is of the same type as was used for the firefly. And the fact that Sunwolf could crack it means that he could have solved this one if he had known where to look for coordinates!

    Great work! Have fun!

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    Default Re: 5X5 QUESTION

    Quote Originally Posted by toshio
    So how many 5x5's should it take to solve a puzzle?
    That is a good question. For puzzles that use the same key for rows and columns there are 120 different combinations (keys) that can be used. The one used for the Dragonfly (1,2,3,4,5) is one of them and the most obvious. But MS could have used (2,3,4,5,1) for instance to make things harder. Now, if you allow one key for the row and another for the column there are a total of 120x120 (=14400) combinations! That is a lot even if you use a computer program as a tool.

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    Default What the hell! Let's give it a try!

    Here is the first one that I have found! I am not sure yet what will come of it because I can't decide a few things but here we go! Oh yeah, by the way can you email me the results please? jtdimar@yahoo.com

    2312451134454453142442451414123142

    or

    3243154421121152413113151441432413

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