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    Default A little order to the chaos

    The Rules:

    1. Reflection - To decipher a string of code, the symbols are paired up by folding the string in half. This is supported by many clues like the way Dar speaks, the symmetry of the HCB, the "Sun & Moon" clue, the Reflection clue etc.

    2. Rotation - Any string of code must be able to be rotated 180 degrees and still yield the same plaintext. This is supported by the presence of the many ambigrams.

    I took these rules and applied them to the teardrop symbols and came up with this.

    I divided the symbols into a primary group and a secondary group. Then I made two matrices - first primary with primary and second primary with secondary.



    Next I eliminated all the combinations that are duplicated by rotation.



    And finally I eliminated the opposite facing pentagons, since this combination is not possible.



    What we are left with are 36 combinations that would fit neatly in three rings of 12. Unfortunately there are still a lot of different ways to put the pairs in order. Also my choice of primary vs. secondary symbols could be off.
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    The Rules:

    1. Reflection - To decipher a string of code, the symbols are paired up by folding the string in half.
    This is supported by many clues like the way Dar speaks, the symmetry of the HCB, the "Sun & Moon" clue,
    the Reflection clue etc.

    2. Rotation - Any string of code must be able to be rotated 180 degrees and still yield the same plaintext.
    This is supported by the presence of the many ambigrams.

    I took these rules and applied them to the teardrop symbols and came up with this.

    I divided the symbols into a primary group and a secondary group. Then I made two matrices - first primary
    with primary and second primary with secondary.

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    i was looking at almost the,same thing, first i did a distribution of the symbols, and
    i could see with a total 103 count, and the breakdown per line counts, there does not
    seem to be any symmetry to the symbols/ at least not per line, see the 2 5 5 jpeg

    so i thought maybe it is, a count of the alpha, with the 2 known,
    count down symbols
    and maybe all the other symbols, was just filler, distraction
    look at the placement jpeg
    and of course that did not work out, no vowels in any of the placements,
    of the crescents, in any of the lines
    my placement jpeg, is the pg 2 line, up to the end of the crescents
    on a side note i did find a neat, addition and multiplier applet, for base from 1 -36
    Addition and Multiplication Tables in Various Bases from Interactive Mathematics Miscellany and Puzzles
    Attached Images

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    I think I just de-bunked my own theory. When the crescents are reflected they change between primary and secondary, so if it's paired with a teardrop, triangle or pentagon, the pair changes.

    So disappointing - have to start over .... again
    It is time. Time is it.

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    So sorry about the debunking Frank.

    I'm glad you posted your idea anyway. Even if the method isn't working at least it has me looking at the symbol strings again. I'm sure it sparked some interest for others as well.

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    Re-bunk?

    It could work if we ignore rule # 2 for these symbols. I know this idea has been floated before, but the pentagons would have to be the key to which way is up. I'm not giving up yet.
    It is time. Time is it.

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    That's the spirit!

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