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    I have posted a number of times about the Ogham tree alphabet. At first, I got excited thinking, as did you, that I might find some of the markings on our beloved ATT trees. I really didn't find the markings tho, as I went thru the process.

    HOWEVER, there are so many connections here that DO make you want to sit up and take some serious notice. All the sites I found, all the connections I thought provocative,,,,I felt it would do well for the info to be linked together in one place. Just to put some thrust behind the thoughts. In the end this is soooo related to the Basilisks et al, that I feel this is a good place.

    When you look at some of this and if you follow up and look at some of these sites...perhaps some things will hit you, like they hit me, for instance,,,,Zac is looking for a specific item to make his jewelry box out of....a fallen silver birch limb. Not just a birch limb. A SILVER BIRCH. Also, besides the linden stump, which is not actually a tree any long in ATT real time, it is a stump; the birch, and then the silver birch, are really the FIRST TREES mentioned in ATT.

    The Celtic Druids followed a 13 sign lunar calendar and zodiac....a LUNAR calendar...a MOON calendar.



    The Druidic religion was derived from an awareness of the natural and supernatural energies of the tree spirits, otherwise known as Dryads. The Druids associated their MOON zodiac with the sacred trees which these Dryads were drawn from. Each Celtic Tree/zodiac sign is associated with a letter from the Celtic tree alphabet, as well as an archetypal character, planet, flower and gemstone. There are other associations and I will list some of them as I go.

    The tree associated with the FIRST month of the LUNAR calendar (Dec. 24 to Jan. 20) is the SILVER BIRCH.

    The letter associated with the first month of the Celtic Lunar calendar/Silver Birch is "B".

    The flower associated: THE DAISY.

    The gemstone: ROCK CRYSTAL

    Now, let me jump to The Willow (Apr 15 to May 12)


    Yes, remind you of anything?

    Gemstone: MOONSTONE
    Deity: MOON GODDESS
    Amergin Verse reference: "I am a Hawk on a Cliff."
    Letter: "S"
    Animal: Serpent or Sea Serpent

    Now, back to the 2nd month of the Celtic Calendar (Jan 21 to Feb 17)

    Tree: The ROWAN

    Sometimes called "The Whispering Tree"
    Softly, the dark dust sifted down, whispering through the tree tops,
    Odd little choice of words,,,,,
    The Rowan is also known as the ASH.
    [Rusful...] slowly sifting a heap of ash black powder into his other palm. The jostling crowd surged around his knees, straining, grasping, and whimpering for a taste of the dark dust.
    Letter: "L"
    Gemstone: Peridot, Evening Emerald, the only gemstone born in fire...the volcanic gem
    Animal: Green Dragon
    The Rowan stands in the center of Stonehenge...ancient gathering place of the Druids. The location is guarded by the Green Dragon...
    We've been looking at the image pg. 45, Ch. 8, Yorah - the Stones forming the drop cap. It's really late now, but it just hit me...when I input that quote about Stonehenge. There is one about 70 miles from where I live on the Columbia River. A replica of Stonehenge. I am going to have to think about that some more. The serpent/dragon guarding the stones?



    from: http://www.maryhillmuseum.org/about.htm

    So....this is definitely something to toss about I believe. All of this Celtic mythology. There is more to it than just markings on the trees. The connections are fascinating. And there could be clues untold we have not yet discovered, but that we are spurred on by thinking another way, examining another avenue....I say "YES!"

    A great deal of the information I imparted above came from these websites. They pretty much link to one another and were awesome finds.

    http://groups.msn.com/silverdragons/kelticzodiac.msnw

    http://www.novareinna.com/constellation/birch.html

    http://www.novareinna.com/constellat...scription.html

    As for the rest of the Celtic Tree Calendar, etc. posts along with the website links .... they all follow here for reference.

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    Hunnytree Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2005 1:41 pm
    By the way I also found several sites that speak to something called the "tree alphabet". Haven't been able to find anything here on the forum ... tho I tried some searches.

    I see several items in ATT, don't want to look stupid by telling you what they are, but they do indeed remind me of the missing "Q". Wink

    here are the links

    this one got me looking for more:

    http://www.tree2mydoor.com/ancientwisdom.asp

    love this one:

    http://www.uponreflection.co.uk/ogham/alphabet.htm

    first tree mentioned in the following site is a silver birch:

    http://www.shee-eire.com/Magic&Mytho.../TreeOgham.htm
    Hunnytree posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 2:59 pm
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    Another idea that keeps rolling around in my head comes out of the phrase: Save The Tree's Art

    There is a language called the Ogam or Ogham alphabet. It is a tree alphabet. This site has the easiest set of markings to read, but even so, I had to freehand copy them off onto a page so I could manipulate the page to match perspective with what I was looking at in ATT. Works better than tipping my lap top screen over on its side, its top,,,,every which way ! Smile

    http://www.uponreflection.co.uk/ogham/alphabet.htm
    Hunnytree Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 5:04 pm
    Post subject: Celtic Tree Calendar
    PostForum: Pages 20-21

    Something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue.

    I ran across a post on the Treasure Hunter's Forum on the official ATT site that referenced the Celtic Tree Calendar. It immediately put me in mind of the Ogham Tree Alphabet I posted links for some time ago. I was fascinated by all the "lines" seemingly almost engraved on the trees, and I thought I could make something out of this Ogham Tree Alphabet. I couldn't. I didn't make the connection at the time to the Celtic knots...I was too busy looking at the forest to see the trees !

    But here is a link that you might just love working with. The Celtic Tree Calendar is, yes, based on a variety of trees. Each tree represents a period of time. There are THIRTEEN months in the Celtic Tree Calendar. Each tree has a corresponding letter and a corresponding color.

    OK....now...what about working these colors with the colors in the Celtic knots. There are more colors than in the knots....but....it worth going...

    ....back to the puzzle.

    Here are a couple of links that put it all together...a dandy reference. Also, can do a search on Ogham Tree Alphabet on this forum with Hunnytree as author...you'll find the other links. Pretty cool stuff.

    http://www.joellessacredgrove.com/Celtic/tree.html

    this one is nice
    http://www.goddessmoon.org/pdf/TreeGuide.pdf

    You'll get downright 'moonie' too, over this,,,,,I betcha.
    Hunnytree Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 2:49 am
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    Forum: The Author-Michael Stadther
    As I look at the Celtic knots, as I read about the Celtic Ogham tree alphabet which interestingly enough is based on 13 trees with 13 corresponding consonants, and a 13 month lunar cycle/Celtic calendar and puts great emphasis on the plant lore of the trees themselves,,,,,yes, I see, many aspects of ATT are derived in great part from Celtic/druid associations.

    I think about YORAH, the great OAK of the Great Forest in ATT. In Celtic plant lore the Oak is known as the King of the Forest...the silver birch symbolizes the rebirth of the forest...and faeries...they are also very Celtic in origin.

    Quote:
    ...fairy mythology is typically Celtic. I have a huge link here: http://www.luminarium.org/mythology/ireland/ which requires some browsing, but it has a lot of info.

    from: http://www.able2know.com/forums/about39201.html

    I start to think like - Being Inside John Malko----no wait----Michael Stadther

    What's it like in there anyway ?? Where is all this Celtic reference and mythology coming from.
    Hunnytree Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 10:21 am
    Post subject: Celtic Tree Calendar
    [quote]Yes, not only does each tree have a letter - but, as I noted in my post:

    Each tree has a corresponding letter and a corresponding color.

    Below I have posted the complete list[...] and added the colors to the list as well.

    Consonants
    B = birch or beth..............white
    L =rowan or luis...............gray & red
    N =Ash or nion.................green
    F =alder or fearn..............crimson
    S =willow or sallie............”bright”
    H =hawthorn or uath.........purple
    D =oak or duir..................black or dk brown
    T =holly or tinne...............dark gray
    C =hazel or coll................brown
    M =vine or muin...............variegated
    G =ivy or gort...................sky blue
    P =dwarf elder or pethboc..yellow white
    R =elder or ruis.................red

    Vowels

    A =silver fir or ailm............light blue
    O =furze or onn.................yellow gold
    U= heather or ur.................purple
    E =white popular or eadha..silver white
    I =yew or idho...................dark green

    Perhaps it could be helpful in reading the Celtic Knots. Wouldn't that be sweet....
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    Hunnytree - very interesting and very thorough post! Thank you for putting the information all in one place. I had visited several of the links you posted earlier but couldn't make any connections - at least for me - to the book. Still, its nice to be able to think about it and review it all in one place. Thanks!
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    renart and Hunneytree,

    About the CITY clue, I took the weird branch of the tail of creature on pg 45 to be it's hind leg. It is easier to see on the version of this thing on page 78. But then there is a second branch of the tail closer to the tip that I cannot figure out. Maybe it's there just for the word clue. I also wonder about all of the cracks and veins in the rock wall. They look like they might be more word clues.

    About Ogham tree alphabet, that is very cool. The Pentacle/Pentagram sign in wheel-thingy tool supports the idea of Ogham. The pentacle is part of the druid's tree worship religion, right? I read something about a Five Stage Journey of Ogham that involves five stages, each stage including a pentacle with five parts. (There is another 5x5 tie-in)

    The one place in the book I saw a potential use of it is on the oak leaf in the bottom left corner of the carpenter tools illustration on page 19. One of the green leaves there clearly has a code with hash marks that go perpendicular to the veins in the leaves. At first I thought the code was 322, or perhaps a zipcode like 03220 for Belmont, NH. But, now applying the Ogham alphabet, the code is either FLL or TDD.

    HOLY CRAP, just had thought!

    What if the code stands for the trees themselves. Tinne, Duir, Duir. What if the code is Holly-Oak-Oak? The carpenter tools illustration is littered with holly leaves and oak leaves. What if there is a code within the leaves in this picture, and the order in which to read the code is Holly-Oak-Oak!?

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    I like where this is going however in my search for all things Celtic I have discovered there is some discrepency.

    There is an alterative for "P" dwarf elder.
    NG = ngetal or reed...........grass green
    Both 'P' and 'NG' seem to specify 'October.'

    As you can also see, there are far more English letters associated with each Celtic symbol.

    http://www.joellessacredgrove.com/Celtic/tree.html

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    Dispcrepancies...no doubt. A one-step lookup is bound to uncover web sites with divergent points of view on any subject. I took a spelling test once in the 8th grade; the word was "theater". I spelled it "theatre" and the teacher marked me down to 95%. I took the test home and showed it to my dad. He said, "She should have given you 105% for knowing both ways."

    Honestly, the whole subject of all things Celtic is so huge I would expect nothing less than there be demarkations of thought and in information.

    But today, I ran across this: [from: http://www.mandrake-press.com/acatalog/celtic.html]


    Between Earth and Sky
    Julia Day

    Julia is a member of a Celtic Tradition. “I believe that whatever our beliefs or Tradition, we each make and follow our own path. I hope this book may help you to follow yours.” Between Earth and Sky is a collection of articles, environmental reports, thoughts, visualisations, poems and stories, together with inspired writings which may help the reader to explore their own thoughts and feelings in many areas of magical...
    And you know I had to share it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deboriole
    I like where this is going however in my search for all things Celtic I have discovered there is some discrepency.

    There is an alterative for "P" dwarf elder.
    NG = ngetal or reed...........grass green
    Both 'P' and 'NG' seem to specify 'October.'

    As you can also see, there are far more English letters associated with each Celtic symbol.

    http://www.joellessacredgrove.com/Celtic/tree.html

    Deb
    WOW... all this Celtic stuff is fascinating! One thought, deboriole, perhaps the NG = ngetal or reed...... grass green, refers to the grasses or reeds that appear on some pages? I don't think I've read on the forum that anyone has a solution to their meaning.
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    Here is some more Celtic stuff:

    In my travels through cyberspace searching for more on the whole Celtic-ATT relationship, I came across a site where I found these juicy tidbits of info:

    1) The Celtic Pentacle (Page 19, traveler thingy) = The movement of VENUS around the zodiac during its cycles traces the shape of a pentacle

    2) The Celtric Tree of Life = the symbol of balance between earth and sky "Above the Earth and Below the Sky".........

    3) The Oak Tree = considered the most magical of the Celtic Trees and its name means door, as in door to the spirit world, um, Yorah has lots of doors!!

    And I'm sure that isn't all there is to this path, either.

    There is so much that relates, there just has to be some way to translate these ideas into the puzzles. The Ogham alphabet seemed perfect, but I just don't see the symbols anywhere in the book. Maybe I'm just not looking hard enough....Hunnytree, I know you have been working on this a lot! Any luck yet????

    Here is the link to that interesting site:
    http://www.seeekers.net/Celtic/meani...ic_symbols.htm

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    I interpreted the 3-2-2 symbols on the leaf in the page 19 illustration as Ogham characters. See my posts in the "322 on leaf" topic:

    http://www.tweleve.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=291

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    Hey Sapphire....(my birthstone btw)

    Did you check out the book cover I posted two posts up from yours...my Apr 20 post in this topic. You oughta like that one!

    I like the site you put up tho. Those bloody knots are in there !! Man, what a day that will be when someone cracks that one !!

    I've been working on the Pointing Fairy-Creature-DropCap Grids connections the last few days. Buried myself in there. LOL.

    I see Doc is doing some posts about it from a slightly different angle. It's all good.

    One of these days it will lead one of us to a token. MS can't be smarter than all of us put together.
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