Solutions for Chapters 1, 2, and 3

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• 02-15-2013
Doc
Solutions for Chapters 1, 2, and 3
Chapter 1:

1 20 5 14 15 3 12 11 9 8
6 13 19 18 7 16 4 2 10 17

The solution: Numbers = alphabet letters. A = 1, B = 2, etc.

1. The first sequence of ten numbers was obtained from the sequence of first examples of the letters A - T in the first line of the chapter.
2. The second sequence of ten numbers was obtained from the sequence of the remaining letters A - T contained in paragraphs 23 and 24 on pages 7 and 8.

Chapter 2:

9 12 6 4 1 15 13 3 20 19
14 5 16 8 11 18 7 2 10 17

The solution: There were two different versions of Chapter 2 contained in two different books. One story was a 'male' version containing male lead characters, the other story was a 'female' version containing female lead characters. Numbers = Alphabet letters. A = 1, B = 2, etc.

1. The first sequence of ten numbers was collected using the first letters of individual lines of the male story beginning at the end of the hidden poem on p. 32.
2. The second sequence of eight numbers was collected using the last letters of individual lines of the female story beginning at the end of the hidden poem on p. 32.
3. The final sequence of two numbers was missing.

Chapter 3:

16 5 17 15 10 20 6 4 18 13
1 12 11 3 2 9 8 7 19 14

The solution: The collected letters were Caesar shifted -3. Numbers = alphabet letters minus 3. D = 1, E = 2, etc. Using this Caesar shift, only the letters D - W will be used in the solution.

1. The first sequence of ten numbers was collected using the first examples of the capital letters starting at the beginning of the chapter.
2. The second sequence of six numbers was collected using the capital letters starting at the end of the chapter and reading in reverse.
3. The final sequence of four numbers was missing.
• 02-15-2013
Doc
We now have 25 percent of the game in the bag. Is there a solution that didn't require facebook clues?

I'm very much interested in the answer to that question. The solutions are becoming more involved as we move through the chapters.
• 02-15-2013
weaver
Quote:

Originally Posted by Doc
Chapter 3:

16 5 17 15 10 20 6 4 18 13
1 12 11 3 2 9 8 7 19 14

The solution: The collected letters were Caesar shifted -3.

Just a small clarification, the -3 Caeser is applied before the collection of the letters, so like Docs says only letters D - W are used in the solution AND the prior collection. A lot of people, I think, were applying the shift after collection during the last couple of weeks before the solution.
• 02-16-2013
Doc
To discover the solution to chapter 3, we would need four clues:

1. Use capital letters
2. Caesar shift of minus 3
3. Collect letters from beginning and end of chapter
4. A key to correctly sequence the four missing letters

To discover the solution to chapter 2, we would need the following clues:

1. A clue for the existence of two different books
2. Use the letters at the first and last of lines
3. Begin at the end of the hidden poem
4. A clue to correctly sequence the missing two letters

To solve chapter 1, we would need the following clues:

1. The numbers of the map = alphabet letters
2. The solution consists of two groups of ten letters
3. Collect the letters beginning on p 1, paragraph 1; collect the remaining letters beginning on p 7, paragraph 23

I am approaching this as logically and simply as possible.

Doc
• 02-16-2013
squirrelio
Doc, you've got it. The problem though is that we didn't get those clues. So the question begs: How do we infer these? Is there something unique about each chapter or chapter questions that would lead a reasonable person to them?
• 02-16-2013
weaver
Chapter 1, just missing Q so is inferred
Chapter 2,missing last 2 so only 2 possibilities, why worry about a clue
Chapter 3, missing last 4, still only 24 possibilities, a lot better than the original 2,42x10^18 possibilities
• 02-18-2013
Doc
There was a debate at the end of chapter 2 concerning the two missing keys suggesting there might be some unknown way to find the two letters in the text--and that brute force was the method of solution.

With the advent of the chapter 3 solution and its four missing letters at its end, I believe that may not have been the case.

There was no way we were supposed to find those four missing letters in the text--even the Facebook clues appear to imply that--we were simply to discover that those four letters were missing.

I would suspect it was the same for chapter 2.

This is implying something I've been suspicious about for a long time:

A chapter solution consists of three parts.

Considering the nature of those three parts, a part associated with "first", a part associated with something "last", and a part associated with something "missing" , I can't help but think those three keys are an integral part of this.
• 02-18-2013
Doc
If you were the author, what sort of clue would you provide to inform your readers that two different copies of the book existed?

If it were me, I would have led you to two different names, such as "Luke" and "Esther"--maybe a numerical clue as well--that you were supposed to figure out were two books of the Bible.

A "male" book and a "female" book as it were.

This male/female clue would also be the sequencing mechanism for the two missing keys by recognizing that the leftover letters represented "Jack" and "Queen."

How would YOU have implied the existence of two different books?
• 02-18-2013
Lobster
The copyright notice in the book states "Copyright 2009 Ron Shore. No part of this publication may be reproduced or transmitted in any form or by any means, electronic or mechanical, including photocopy, recording... without permission in writing from the publisher".

Until Ron posted on Facebook that sharing was allowed (2 years after the book was released), the C2 solution was not even LEGALLY solvable, except in the exceptionally remote circumstance where someone else with the OTHER copy of the book lived within driving distance, and you managed to identify such a person, and they were willing to visit with you every single time you wanted to try a sequence -- or if you bought enough books to get both versions.

Then there was the issue of there being only one prize. If the whole point is to work with someone else (an interesting design goal), then there needed to be 2 prizes for the chapter. Otherwise, it was just an exercise of "email a copy of this copyright work to someone else" and had nothing to do with teamwork. There was no real incentive to share information and create a team win, because there was no team solution.

I would have:

(a) amended the fine-print copyright claim at the front of the book to make the solution legal: "You may copy and share the text of this book with anyone who has their own physical copy of this book." (this is also a clue)

(b) would have added into the rules or terms & conditions: "One of the 12 chapters is a team effort and will have two winners. The first person to submit the correct key sequence will be asked to name another registered questor to win the second prize. Each of these two winners will win \$15000 each in cash, and both will participate in the physical hunt."

These two simple changes would have tightened up the design, added incentive for team work, and encouraged people to pair up and make friends. These lines would also have rewarded those who have carefully read the rules, copyright notices, etc for clues -- as they would tip off that perhaps 2 versions of the book are in use.
• 02-20-2013
Doc
The end of one is the beginning of another.

I'm wondering if this might also be a clue that links chapter-to-chapter.

I recall the business about a 'starting line' and an implied 'finish line' from chapter 1--the large horizontal lines on pp 9 and 20, and that it might apply to the first sequence of ten and last sequence of ten in chapter 1.

I think that's correct, but it's an extraordinarily apropros clue for chapter 2: 'starting line' and 'finish line' is a spot-on description of the location of the code in chapter 2--the starting letters and last letters of the lines.

The last word of chapter 2 was 'first'. It was a clue for the first and last word of the chapter. For chapter 2, the first word would have been 'We', and that definitely puts me in mind of the 'west' and 'east' business we contended with in chapter 2.

Moving to chapter 3, the first and last words of the chapter appear to be important for the 'book solution', whatever that turns out to be--the words 'Charlie' and 'sea'.

Continuing to think,

Doc
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