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    Quote Originally Posted by astreeturover View Post
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    I've spent several weeks re-familiarizing myself with this puzzle.

    I've studied most of the images, and believe that page 11 is a sort of template, or instruction, for many of the codes / keys used in the book.

    For example, starting at about halfway down the middle of the page, the letters TIS-L (which may also be an anagram for LIST) connect to the AKE with a picture of an EAGLE to the right.

    Using the boomerang shaped lines on the middle bottom, and connecting one end (letter L) to the other end (AKE) gives LAKE

    The decode is -

    ITS EAGLE LAKE

    The map section found with those letters matches EAGLE LAKE in the map at the back of the book.

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    astree - I agree that this page holds instructions and have worked with the partial letters as well. The lake shown in the TI-SL section is not Eagle Lake, though. It is Bubble Pond, and the mountain under the S is Pemetic Mountain. https://www.google.com/search?q=bubb...utf-8&oe=utf-8

    This Bubble Pond map section aligns with the Cadillac Mountain one in the upper right containing the letters AL PAR. The 2 sections together spell [N]ATIONAL PAR[K]

    As Domino mentioned, Eagle Lake is also a road, which is one side of a 4-way intersection with Eden Street, Kebo Street, and Mount Desert Street. There is a memorial at this intersection to Degrasse Fox, http://mdihistory.org/mdihistory.org..._Fox_stone.jpg

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    Thanks for that, thedawailey. I did a closer comparison, and the p. 11 and 57 Eagle Lake are not a perfect match, as you suggest. How did you determine that it was Bubble Pond? (Use information outside of the book?).

    I am leaning toward using p. 11 as a key to read (most of) the codes in the book. Your example of putting map pieces together - Would you say that one method is to put pieces of maps together?

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    Quote Originally Posted by astreeturover View Post
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    Thanks for that, thedawailey. I did a closer comparison, and the p. 11 and 57 Eagle Lake are not a perfect match, as you suggest. How did you determine that it was Bubble Pond? (Use information outside of the book?).

    I am leaning toward using p. 11 as a key to read (most of) the codes in the book. Your example of putting map pieces together - Would you say that one method is to put pieces of maps together?

    Thanks,
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    For Bubble Pond, I did use outside sources to verify the shape because as you said, the Mount Desert map in the book isn't very clear. But I only did this after coming to that conclusion using just the book. I didn't feel Eagle Lake (pg 56) was narrow enough at the top, and it is pointed, not round at the bottom. The map segment on page 11 shows a lake that is narrow at the top and rounded at the bottom. The fact that this segment connects with the one of Cadillac Mountain seemed to confirm its location.

    I do think all the map pieces - the topographical ones, at least, are from a single map. They are all to the same scale but are from different parts of the island. Whether they hold any key to the solution, I don't know. Some pieces are very small and impossible to pinpoint their locations and they are not all in the proper north-south orientation. I've cut them out to see if I can recreate the size of the map and the position of the pieces, but along with the Bubble Pond/ Cadillac Mountain pair, which I have taped together, they've all been sitting in an envelope for the past year! Maybe it's time to take them out again and try putting them together.

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    maybe this map, ive been working on the map pieces again
    a slow go though, to much on my plate, template agreed
    http://mdihistory.org/mdihistory.org...teractive.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by cw0909 View Post
    maybe this map, ive been working on the map pieces again
    a slow go though, to much on my plate, template agreed
    http://mdihistory.org/mdihistory.org...teractive.html
    I agree. I think this is the map that the page 11 topographical segments are based on. It is somewhat different - Where NATIONAL PARK is written on the segments, RANGE is on the 1942 map, but the style, lettering and markings are very similar.

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    Hi All...I was just wondering if anyone has any speculations about the L and P in this letter grid....I think it was Harley who had mentioned in a few posts that they had 1) found the missing numbers from the 11/40 grids and that 2) Harley's books led to this solution- has anyone clarified/confirmed this? and if so, would those numbers potentially change the placement of the L and or P in the Grid solutions....C MASQUERADE IN HT (LP)...I think that is the correct order...IN HT, as opposed to HINT...can anyone confirm this? I think Astreeturover found something similar?

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    Also, this has probably been covered before: In Masquerade, did they only draw lines from the eyes to toe/fingers...and ignore the line the opposite direction (ie. back from the finger/toe through the eye to the border?) Could the mirrored squares on 11/40 indicate to go both directions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashmunk23 View Post
    Also, this has probably been covered before: In Masquerade, did they only draw lines from the eyes to toe/fingers...and ignore the line the opposite direction (ie. back from the finger/toe through the eye to the border?) Could the mirrored squares on 11/40 indicate to go both directions?
    In Masquerade, the lines went from right eye through the longest toe and/ or finger on the right side, and from the left eye through the longest toe and/ or finger on the left side. The line did not go in the opposite direction.

    I don't know what was 'solved' regarding the missing letters & numbers, or the LP on the squares. I've seen a lot of 'sure solutions' posted, but so far I have not seen that any of these have led to finding the key, so I take them all with a grain of salt.

    Yes the order of the letters is iN, then HT, not HINT, although that is what most seem to think it means.

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    How many things could C MASQUERADE mean???

    Some of the options:
    1) Use the Masquerade method (eye to longest finger/toe )to find a set of border letters
    2) Look at the Hares in the book
    3) Use an alternative Masquerade method (nose to tail, eye to key eye...)


    What else could there be for C MASQUERADE??. or what other alternative Masquerade methods have people considered/tried ( "I" to eye...)??

    Lol, sorry how desperate do I sound? My mom and I have been working on this for a few years, and we keep thinking there will just be an AHA moment when we figure it out, or even that someone else will and at least we'll know how it ends!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashmunk23 View Post
    How many things could C MASQUERADE mean???

    Some of the options:
    1) Use the Masquerade method (eye to longest finger/toe )to find a set of border letters
    2) Look at the Hares in the book
    3) Use an alternative Masquerade method (nose to tail, eye to key eye...)


    What else could there be for C MASQUERADE??. or what other alternative Masquerade methods have people considered/tried ( "I" to eye...)??

    Lol, sorry how desperate do I sound? My mom and I have been working on this for a few years, and we keep thinking there will just be an AHA moment when we figure it out, or even that someone else will and at least we'll know how it ends!
    I agree. If all we need is the book to solve the riddle, referring to an old book for a clue doesn't make sense. It is either just a way of acknowledging an old book they enjoyed as children, or we are supposed to use the term 'Masquerade' for its original meaning: "A false show or pretense", synonyms include deception, pose, act, front, facade, disguise, bluff. And this book is full of all those things!

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