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    I'm sorry if this is a repeat - I don't see it on this thread, but I may have posted it on another, many months ago. I am cleaning out old notes and posting a few old ideas in this forum before deleting them. The bookmarks in the Harley Quinn illustration look like the tail of the Owls Head sign on the milepost, like the top of Zodiose's shoe, and a little like a shape on the side of the cliff in the last illustration.

    If you drop a straight line from one of those bookmarks on Harley's shelf (in the book with the POI symbol), it seems to point to Norumbega Mountain on the map. I believe the map location under the second bookmark is Parkman Mountain.

    In spite of the vertical plum bob, I wonder whether we should look at horizontal lines as well? The bookmark books are horizontal. One lines up with Coast, Myths and Legends, and the letters I,S and D on the spines of books to the right. The lower book lines up with mathematics, cross and locke as well as the ship image. The artist seems to have deliberately shifted the key out of this lower line.

    Three books are slanted, and the one with the key might suggest a slanted line through Harley's nose, the plum bob and down to the letter P in step. But I just now noticed the shadow of the plum bob on the map - given the "shadow" "lands" words on two books, maybe the key should align with the place where the shadow lands, and not with the physical plum bob hanging from Harley's hand. If so, this doesn't strongly suggest using border letters for the solution. The line does suggest that St. Savieur Mountain is significant to the solution. Or the elevation 678 feet?

    Another line seems to run from the POI symbol through Harley's eye to the center of the compass on the table.

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    Check your facts and history, Yuri Gagarin orbited Earth in April, 1961. You are thinking of the first satellite, Sputnik 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stunnuts View Post
    Check your facts and history, Yuri Gagarin orbited Earth in April, 1961. You are thinking of the first satellite, Sputnik 1.
    I checked the facts, and you are correct, stunnuts. I know you made this point once before in this thread, on July 21, 2008:

    Quote Originally Posted by stunnuts View Post
    1957 is the year that a satellite was first put into orbit by the Soviet Union. It was called Sputnik. Gagarin orbited in 1961, a few months before Alan Shepard did his sub-orbital flight.
    You started a new thread to make a point about the elevations of the mountains on Harley Quinn's map and the map at the end of the book. A similar point was made by Trainor on this thread on Feb. 15, 2009:

    Quote Originally Posted by Trainor View Post
    Check the elevations of the mountains on this page and compare to the ones on the
    map at the end of the book..they do not all match.
    It is hard to keep track, isn't it, as this hunt has been going on so long! Thanks for the input, though. Anything that keeps the forum up and running gives me hope.

    Maybe you would care to elaborate on what the discrepancies in the elevations meant to you? You thought they somehow pointed to a specific location on MDI?

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    Cleaning out my message folders again. Don't know if this is constructive or not:

    This may not be a new idea for us, but maybe it's a variation we haven't quite tried: the Fandango book as a map. We have the mix-up between tale and tail in one of the later illustrations, and we are told at the beginning to stay right on the fox's tail. Maybe these are hints about treating the book as a trail map. OK so none of that is new.

    Maps have standard parts. Looking at various Internet sites promising to describe parts of maps, I find the following elements: title, key, legend, compass rose (or north arrow), inset map, locator map, scale, base map, graticule (a network of lines representing meridians and parallels), border (neatline). There are probably others.

    In the various illustrations, we have the word legend (a title on Harley Quinn's shelf), key, several compass rose candidates, possibly an inset (Harley Quinn) and locator (Chief Abnaki) map, a scale (Libra on the mosaic page would be a pun on scale but things like the piano keys or inner border patterns could be the kind of scale relevant to reading a map). We haven't tried to identify a hidden graticule, but illustrations like the Fop, with its strong pattern of lines, could offer this feature.

    If the book offers features of one large map that have to be reassembled somehow, I'm not sure how this would be done. There must be either a series of locations and a way to eliminate the wrong locations, or a way to identify a trail from one location to the next. I know that's not a new idea, but maybe the locations aren't the obvious ones shown in the illustrations, but hidden ones that are revealed by using the map code. Maybe this is what the fox means by going below surfaces and by layers coexisting - digitized maps are built in layers now, so you can custom-build a map with the features you want - roads, elevations, structures, water features, soil types, public lands, etc.

    Looking at the Harley Quinn illustration (with border letters spelling MAP), I see that only four titles of books are whole: Myths and Legends, Cast not a Stone, Treasure Island and In the Lake of the Woods. Make that five: Down Under. These all seem like good map-related phrases except Cast not a Stone. That book and the Myths and Legends book are lying flat, while the other three are on the second shelf and are propped upright. So maybe the first two books are about interpreting the map (hence the "legend" reference) and the other three provide the title or other directions we need.

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    The arrangement of books on the bookshelf look like an alpha-numeric code:

    Top shelf grouping

    3 - 1,3,5

    C - A,C,E

    CASE, and some others
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    "The Scarlet Cloud Approaches"
    "Time is of ten a one-way street"
    ..........Go 5 X 5..........

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    I am gaining momentum to take another dive into this puzzle.

    Just as a sort of curiosity for p. 30:

    The wine bottle has what ostensibly looks like "1957" on it. This may be a code, or just a shout out to Stockwell's birth year?

    The page features Harley Quinn staring at a plumbbob.

    1957
    Plumbbob

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Plumbbob

    Anyway, just thought it was interesting. I believe this level of knowledge .... along with knowing many details about the history and other facts of MDI, is NOT necessary to solve the puzzle.

    Along these same lines of "extras" found in the puzzle, was the "1947" and "ET HOPS", where 1947 is the year of the supposed alien craft crash in Roswell, NM.
    Free is the best deal!

    "The Scarlet Cloud Approaches"
    "Time is of ten a one-way street"
    ..........Go 5 X 5..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by astreeturover View Post
    I am gaining momentum to take another dive into this puzzle.

    Just as a sort of curiosity for p. 30:

    The wine bottle has what ostensibly looks like "1957" on it. This may be a code, or just a shout out to Stockwell's birth year?

    The page features Harley Quinn staring at a plumbbob.

    1957
    Plumbbob

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Plumbbob

    Anyway, just thought it was interesting. I believe this level of knowledge .... along with knowing many details about the history and other facts of MDI, is NOT necessary to solve the puzzle.

    Along these same lines of "extras" found in the puzzle, was the "1947" and "ET HOPS", where 1947 is the year of the supposed alien craft crash in Roswell, NM.
    1947 was the year most of the Island burned. There is a new documentary coming out about the Fire of '47.

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    Quote Originally Posted by astreeturover View Post
    The arrangement of books on the bookshelf look like an alpha-numeric code:

    Top shelf grouping

    3 - 1,3,5

    C - A,C,E

    CASE, and some others
    .
    This is an interesting idea. I've tried it with some other numbers as well with mixed results. I did find that reading the books across the lower shelf reads "[So]lved [Mys]tery Down Under Treasure Island. The [E]nd In the Lake of the Woods...Wh[o] Go[es]" This row also includes a red, a yellow and a red/yellow (orange) book. Although probably not a clue that will direct us to the specific spot, it seems they were placed in this order to tell us that "who goes" to this general location will solve the mystery. This row does not lend itself to an alpha-numeric code, at least not by book count. 2-2-3, or BBC, unless the Brits have invaded again!

    "Reading" the top row gives us "Coast Atlas Mathematics 1957. Myths and Legends Cast Not a Stone. Mountain Wind Down-East Shadow Lands." Although this offers some tempting hints, they seem to require some research. Is there a 1957 Atlas of the island? "Myths and Legends Cast Not a Stone" could mean that these things are irrelevant to the solution. "Mountain Wind Down-East Shadow Lands" suggests the east side of a mountain, where a shadow is cast in the afternoon/evening, and "Wind" could be "to wind down a mountain", not "the wind." The road up Mt. Cadillac winds up (or down) the west side of the mountain. Not sure how this fits in. There are a number of pull-offs and overlooks along this road, and the image of Sam in his Cadillac is similar to the view from one of these overlooks. There are also a number of places where hiking trails cross this winding road.

    Then there is THE persistent question: Can the key be hidden within park boundaries? Back to square one.

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    Its been a while since I was actively working on this puzzle and just saw some newer activity here, and I cannot remember if this was posted but has it been discussed that the books (harley quinn page) solves the number grid puzzles?

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    Forgive me if I am repeat girl here it has been over a year since I worked on this puzzle and I can't remember what parts I read here and what parts we investigated.

    Has it been discussed here the meaning of Normubega? There are a couple theories about its name origin but one well founded claim I stumbled across in Steve Pinkham's book “Mountains of Maine: Intriguing Stories Behind Their Names.”
    He writes that Normubega was a lost city of gold- "it was the unspoken goal of the English, French and Spanish to find Norumbega, a fabled city of gold that was thought to be somewhere around the forty-fifth parallel in the region of Maine" just a side note that was interesting when I studied this page-

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