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    Quote Originally Posted by Harley98 View Post
    Forgive me if I am repeat girl here it has been over a year since I worked on this puzzle and I can't remember what parts I read here and what parts we investigated.

    Has it been discussed here the meaning of Normubega? There are a couple theories about its name origin but one well founded claim I stumbled across in Steve Pinkham's book “Mountains of Maine: Intriguing Stories Behind Their Names.”
    He writes that Normubega was a lost city of gold- "it was the unspoken goal of the English, French and Spanish to find Norumbega, a fabled city of gold that was thought to be somewhere around the forty-fifth parallel in the region of Maine" just a side note that was interesting when I studied this page-
    Norumbega was thought to be in the Bucksport area of Maine, based on research by Jack McNabb. He also was researching the Oak Island Mystery as it related to Norumbega.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harley98 View Post
    Its been a while since I was actively working on this puzzle and just saw some newer activity here, and I cannot remember if this was posted but has it been discussed that the books (harley quinn page) solves the number grid puzzles?
    I don't think this has been discussed. Or, if it has, it's worth hearing it again. Care to expand on this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puma Lion View Post
    I don't think this has been discussed. Or, if it has, it's worth hearing it again. Care to expand on this?
    I'm interested, too. I only have p. 11 connected to the number grids.
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    I'm interested, too.
    strange coincidence....
    about a wk ago, i found my follow the fox, 3rd notebook of notes,from about 5yr ago
    in it i tried to work the sign post to the grids, never got far. on 1pg i have (is this the
    key? pg---- para----), i re-read yesterday and i just dont remember what or why, i
    made that notation

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    You are aware of the Masquerade message decoding of the grids?
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    Yes. I am aware of the masquerade puzzle and the cross overs. Studied it extensively. I think he was a fan and there are nods throughout the book to masquerade but I’ve landed in the place where it’s not directly related anywhere to the solution.

    Sorry I went mia for a bit. I’ll try to check back for frequently. Here is where I am in the puzzle.

    I’ve denfinately solved the number squares with clues on the book page and the sign post. They go together. Also used the sea king page. Sorry I don’t have my book in front of me for page reference.

    I have no idea where to go with the solutions to the number grids. I just know what the numbers are for sure

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    Astree- to clarify yes, Ive seen the masquerade message in the squares but from what I remember, the last thing posted about the number squares didn't conclusively solve the number grids solely by clues within the book.
    I know how the squares are solved. and i know they are correct and mathematically follow the rules for the grids using the book alone. You have to use the books on the shelf on the harlequin page, the map page with the points of interest, the sign post, and the sea king page. it confirms itself, gives the exact numbers and when you put them in the grids they mathmatically check out according to sums rules and number usage.
    however, i don't know how to use those grids once solved.
    also,
    super important note not related directly to number grids (or their solutions!) but i am convinced holds an answer to something- the end date. Ive used the end date of the puzzle and information contained within the book together and it has stunning results.this has a lot of promise to me because the answer should lead to an exact location without having to go to the island. still fleshing it out but if anyone else is on this path id love to collaborate-
    will be on Mdi again for june- but family at our house in bar harbor all summer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harley98 View Post
    ...I know how the squares are solved. and i know they are correct and mathematically follow the rules for the grids using the book alone.
    Harley98 - Can you clarify what you mean by "mathematically follow the rules for the grids"? Is this something the average person is supposed to know? Mathematical rules? Or is this something I learned in grade school and have completely forgotten ? LOL!

    I understand that you are supposed to make each row, column and diagonal add up to the same number, and I can do that with the combined squares, but I haven't been able to do it with either of the individual squares. Thanks!

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    I meant according to the mathematical rules posted in the number square thread.

    heres what Ive found. I have been back to obsessively working on this and I am on the verge of something I just can't seem to make the next step. I have reread and relistened to every statement and interview from the stockwells and I believe we've got to be able to solve this completely without outside sources. So every time I start reaching or googling for an answer I have to stop myself.

    Ive been working on this hunt for about 5 years. I spend summers on MDI and have done a lot of research, talked to sister at town hill, etc etc....

    I believe (and I am not NEAR as smart or experienced as all of you so I could be wrong) but think Ive found the numbers missing from the grids using the following method. ill try to be specific but it was about a year ago I figured out the numbers, so bear with me

    On the number grid on page 40 there is a black point of interest symbol in place of a number.

    I noticed the only other black POI (other than on the map) is on the sign post on pg 44. The Sieur de monts spring sign. I know the mileage on the sign is weird and slightly off so they must have used specific numbers to be used for solving something. I counted the number of letters on the sieur de monts spring sign ( 1 8 ) and subtracted the miles (4). it gives 14. I put that in where the black POI on page 40 grid was. To follow the rules for the grids, it means to add up to 19 the corresponding spot on page 17 had to be 5. neither 5 nor 14 had been used in their corresponding grids, collums added up to 38 and 38 and together they added to 76 and rows were 40 and 36 so they added up to 76. i was hopeful. so
    Then I started looking at other POIs in the book. I remembered Neptune's ring. Red and yellow. the only other red and yellow in the book that corresponded (red inside yellow around it) is on the sign post.
    I counted the letters visible on the bega mtn. sign (7) subtracted from 16 (mileage) that equalled 9. I put 9 in the squares on pg 40 and that meant according to the rules the corresponding square on pg 17 had to be 10. all columns and rows added up correctly and the numbers weren't used twice in a square.

    so i have the missing numbers as pg 40
    8 16 5 2
    3 0 14 19
    1 6 4 10
    9 18 15 7

    and page 17:

    11 3 14 17
    16 19 5 0
    18 13 15 9
    10 1 4 12

    now. heres where I am stuck. how do we use those to solve the letter grid on page 11?

    and then this:

    the other POI i found not on the map is on the book shelf. top shelf. blue book . white POI.

    that in my opinion may correspond to the sign post (the POIs have all had a sign to go with them IF MY PROCESS IS VALID) machias. same color as book. letters are same as letters on book.
    following my reasoning?
    red POI= sign: Red letters
    Black POI= sign:black letters (and IMO the POI was placed on the sign to make the first connection for us).

    so where do we plug info from the machias sign? it equals 45 following my process. does it go onto the letter grid? what letter does it relate to? if not the letter grid where?

    Am i crazy? was this a coincidence that the POIs and the letters/numbers work on the grids? how do these three squares work together? I know using pg 40 square with letter square you get "masquerade" from 1-8 but what then?

    i have other leads Im working on in the book not related to the squares, but i keep needing to google or go to outside sources for info and I know Pel said the master riddle can be solved using only the book. so, still here. still working.

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    Thank you so much Harley, for walking us through that- I think you did an amazing job! So if those are the blank numbers- then our Message in numerical order becomes C MASQUERADE P IN L HT .....Hmmm.....I actually sent a message on the Stockwell's site, FollowtheFox, to ask them about using just the book- or outside knowledge like Masquerade....we will see if they see it/respond. Good luck to you : )

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