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    Default Page 47 - Topsy Turvy

    Eagle carrying Fandango - lady in red in the clouds.
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    Default RE: Topsy-Turvy Page Border

    OK --

    My personal feeling is that there is a very detailed message hidden within the border. Ignoring the corner squares, which have alternating yellow and white mini squares (pixals?), each letter around the picture is comprised of six pixals. Each letter is separated from another by two yellow pixals, one on top of the other.

    To illustrate my description, I'm starting at the upper left corner of the border, and will list the outside color of the pixal(s) first:

    yel - wht - wht - yel (corner square)

    grn - grn - grn - yel - red - red
    yel - yel (fill space)
    vio - vio - vio - yel - wht - wht
    yel - yel (fill space)
    vio - vio - bge - yel - bge - bge
    yel - yel (fill space)
    red - grn - red - yel - red - red
    yel - yel (fill space)
    grn - grn - org - yel - org - org
    yel - yel (fill space)

    A couple of other points, and I'll shaddup and let others post/comment:

    1) Note that the forth pixal is always yellow - I think its a registration mark so the solver has a reference point for the other five pixals.

    2) The border should always be viewed left-to-right (or maybe right-to-left) around the picture. That will require turning the picture such that the border you are working on is always at the top.

    3) This theory breaks down (?) at the bottom of the picture, where the fox's front paw(s) nearly touch the border. At that point there is a pair of green pixals separated by a pair of yellow pixals on either side. Perhaps this is a starting point for the message? If so, which direction around the picture does one go? Also - there may be a similar spot at the top of the picture, but the feathers of the eagle's wing block the view.

    Any comments/observations?

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    Woa! What amazing eyes you have ocean.... Good job. I believe you may be right about those intricate borders, but I'm a little hesitatant to delve into the borders right now. As a former Trover, I think we all got very microscopic vision with DAR instead of trying to find the (hopefully) obvious clues first. So I'll keep out of this one for the time being. Good luck to you in this particular area.

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    Interesting I will have to look at this in more detail as I have not worked on this page too much. I just also wanted to point out though that the text "upside down" is indeed upside down in relation to all the other paintings. I'm pretty positive that is a clue as well maybe relating to the encoded message or to aid in figuring out the code.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OceanArcher View Post
    yel - wht - wht - yel (corner square)

    grn - grn - grn - yel - red - red
    yel - yel (fill space)
    vio - vio - vio - yel - wht - wht
    yel - yel (fill space)
    vio - vio - bge - yel - bge - bge
    yel - yel (fill space)
    red - grn - red - yel - red - red
    yel - yel (fill space)
    grn - grn - org - yel - org - org
    yel - yel (fill space)


    Any comments/observations?
    Nice catch!

    Removing the yellow from the standard rainbow spectrum, leaves 6 colors, which lines up with your 6 pixel scheme.

    R ed
    O range
    Y ellow
    G reen

    B lue
    I ndigo
    V iolet

    The green is central to the spectrum, and the green bar is almost central to the pattern break in the bottom of the frame.
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    Beginning with the bottom frame (as the inverted text calls attention to it), where an arch is defined as wrapping around the yellow square

    4 same-colored arches (where the white makes the 4th)
    then clockwise
    7 same-colored arches ( 1 / 2 / 4 geometric )

    ---------

    this is the page number of the illustration
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    I have been looking at the border also. Tried folding the page and putting the borders
    together hoping to catch some words. No luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trainor View Post
    ..just wanted
    to see if anyone else has done anything with some of the colors of the inside borders.
    I had mentioned this before... but no one else had anything to say. Guess I am the only one who has tried this and did get some information from it.
    Lots of coding in the borders, and pictures.

    Quote Originally Posted by suelough View Post
    Eagle carrying Fandango - lady in red in the clouds.
    On this particular page, I got the letters LADY and TOPS, sequentially. The rest was gobbledy-gook, just like she says on page 48. (so, it's not clear if this is a red herring or not. I am going to work it some more when I get time. I may have missed something).

    I think I had also pulled out a phrase related to FOLD, but it was in anagram form, and I had not found any other confirmers, so noted it but did not pursue.

    For a simpler example, the RV lights on p. 19 give TO in Morse, next to the TO on the border.
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    Quote Originally Posted by astreeturover View Post

    On this particular page, I got the letters LADY and TOPS, sequentially. The rest was gobbledy-gook, just like she says on page 48.
    The frame on p. 47 is a natural set-up for polybius encoding.

    Taking the hint ALL “EYES” IN FIRE (discard I), and TOPSY TURVY yields the following matrix

    Code:
    . . 1 2 3 4 5
    
    1 . Z Y X W V
    2 . U T S R Q
    3 . P O N M L
    4 . K J H G F
    5 . E D C B A
    Beginning at the bottom left, and working counter-clockwise, using the colors to break counts, and yellow as separators
    (2,1)..(2,5) .. (2,2) (3,2) (3,5) (5,5) (5,2) (1,2) … (1,3)

    U Q S A O O T O L A D Y Y N S S T O Y X
    Similarly, beginning on the top left corner, the message
    O O S W S T S T O P F O U Q O
    As said, most is gobbledy-gook, except the middle portion.

    There is more to be found, e.g., FONTS, but that is something else.

    There is another frame with similar properties as well.

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    I tried taking each geometric shape, or "arch" as it has been described, and listed all the colors in one shape. Some are one solid color, others have two colors, and some have three colors. There are more than just six colors in this border. Besides the usual Red, Orange, Yellow, Blue, Indigo and Violet, we also have white, mustard, pink, two different shades of blue, and two different shades of green. I tried to categorize the shapes according to their colors, and in doing this, there are more than 26 different shapes based on color combinations.

    For example, I categorized shapes such as:
    Green and Blue
    White and Orange
    Red and Mustard
    Green and Purple
    White and Green
    Red and Orange
    etc....The list goes on and on.

    My point being is that each shape (or arch) can not represent a single letter.

    Perhaps we are only to look at a certain colors and their placement in the arch. The most logical way to examine the colors is to look at those arches that are solid: Orange, Dark Green, Light Green, Purple, Light Purple, Mustard, Light Blue, White, Red, and Pink. I believe these are all of the colors. These colors are repeated in combinations in the arches. But it can't possibly be that one arch is equal to one letter. I think it must be that the placement of the colors in that arch is what is important. However, this could yield a very long message since each arch can hold up to 5 squares of color.

    Any ideas?

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