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    X C P/L P/L
    Hi sixer13,

    I've only just learned of this puzzle, this web site and have never done or seen anything quite like this. I just bought the book yesterday after a friend mentioned learning of it from his daughter. I looked at it for the first time last night, likewise this curious website.

    In regards to the square on page 11, why did you think there was an L amongst the 14 labeled smaller squares? I'm not necessarily disagreeing, but considered it as an I prior to seeing your post and now just wondering...

    ?Also, could somebody please point me to a good analysis explaining what you all are calling a MASQUERADE - it seems provocative; red herring or not.

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    Hi kbellis-

    Welcome to the hunt.

    I work on this puzzle only now and then. I have been spending more time on other hunts at the moment.

    To answer your question about the letter in the 7th square though---- At first glance of the letter, it looks liked the bottom line is extended---past what an uppercase ‘I’ would have to be. There is also a lower case ‘i’ in square 12. It is reasonable to consider it as an ‘L’ then. However many see it as an I and I wouldn’t argue with that either.

    With the possibility of the MASQUERADE PIC HINT ----the letter in question being used as an I----it seems more likely that indeed it is an I and not the initial thought of the possible L.


    You can find more information about Masquerade on these sites---

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masquerade_(book)


    Masquerade & The Mysteries of Kit Williams


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    Thanks for the welcome sixer and the links. I certainly can see now why you (and others) are finding parallels with (or is it an homage to?) MASQUERADE. Maybe I should learn more about the bunny before the fox

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    I haven't seen this mentioned before, so I thought I'd add to this.
    Here are the number squares:

    pg. 17

    11 3 14 17
    16 19 _ 0
    18 13 15 9
    _ 1 4 12


    pg. 40

    8 16 5 2
    3 0 _ 19
    1 6 4 10
    _ 18 15 7

    Starting with square on pg. 17, begin with the number 0 located in the last column, 2nd row. Next, look at pg 40's square and note down the number in its last column, second row (19). If you keep doing this, you will end up with this string of numbers:
    0=19
    1=18
    3=16
    4=15
    9=10
    11=8
    12=7
    13=6
    14=5
    15=4
    16=3
    17=2
    18=1
    19=0

    Following the same procedure but beginning with pg 40's numbered square will obviously result in exactly the opposite number sequence as written above:
    0=19
    1=18
    2=17
    3=16
    4=15
    5=14
    6=13
    7=12
    8=11
    10=9
    15=4
    16=3
    18=1
    19=0

    I am terrible with numbers and just wondering if there is any coincidence? What, if anything am I missing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Molnar View Post
    Yeah, I had found that if you index the letters in increasing numerical order, the two number squares mirror each other.

    Code:
       p17 p40
    
     0  ?   C 
     1  T   M
     2      AS 
     3  H   QU
     4  _   E
     5      R
     6      A
     7      D
     8      E
     9  IN 
    10      IN
    11  E
    12  D
    13  A
    14  R
    15  E   _
    16  QU  H
    17  AS
    18  M   T
    19  C   ?


    I was just looking at this and something came to mind…..

    There was another wonderful hunt---Menagerie----(most talked about on Q4T)

    I forget all the details about its solution---but I think the solution was the ‘reverse of masquerade’.

    Instead of taking eyes to border letters-----it went from border letters into the picture and used the ‘items’ picked out---giving the solution phrase. The first 2 words given (I think) being an ‘ARM and APPLE’----this worked phonetically for ‘OUR MAP WILL….or OUR MAP LIE….”

    Anyway……

    These ‘number squares’ are reverse to each other with ‘hint’….
    Is the hint ‘reverse masquerade’ or ‘mirrors masquerade’----

    Which could be either saying the solution is found the same way or it is reverse--border to image.


    Any thoughts?

    sixer

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    Quote Originally Posted by sixer13 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Molnar View Post
    Yeah, I had found that if you index the letters in increasing numerical order, the two number squares mirror each other.

    Code:
       p17 p40
    
     0  ?   C 
     1  T   M
     2      AS 
     3  H   QU
     4  _   E
     5      R
     6      A
     7      D
     8      E
     9  IN 
    10      IN
    11  E
    12  D
    13  A
    14  R
    15  E   _
    16  QU  H
    17  AS
    18  M   T
    19  C   ?


    I was just looking at this and something came to mind…..

    There was another wonderful hunt---Menagerie----(most talked about on Q4T)

    I forget all the details about its solution---but I think the solution was the ‘reverse of masquerade’.

    Instead of taking eyes to border letters-----it went from border letters into the picture and used the ‘items’ picked out---giving the solution phrase. The first 2 words given (I think) being an ‘ARM and APPLE’----this worked phonetically for ‘OUR MAP WILL….or OUR MAP LIE….”

    Anyway……

    These ‘number squares’ are reverse to each other with ‘hint’….
    Is the hint ‘reverse masquerade’ or ‘mirrors masquerade’----

    Which could be either saying the solution is found the same way or it is reverse--border to image.


    Any thoughts?

    sixer
    Thanks Sixer, somehow I completely missed that post the first time around. I apologize for my redundant post

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBadeo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sixer13 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Molnar View Post
    Yeah, I had found that if you index the letters in increasing numerical order, the two number squares mirror each other.

    Code:
       p17 p40
    
     0  ?   C 
     1  T   M
     2      AS 
     3  H   QU
     4  _   E
     5      R
     6      A
     7      D
     8      E
     9  IN 
    10      IN
    11  E
    12  D
    13  A
    14  R
    15  E   _
    16  QU  H
    17  AS
    18  M   T
    19  C   ?


    I was just looking at this and something came to mind…..

    There was another wonderful hunt---Menagerie----(most talked about on Q4T)

    I forget all the details about its solution---but I think the solution was the ‘reverse of masquerade’.

    Instead of taking eyes to border letters-----it went from border letters into the picture and used the ‘items’ picked out---giving the solution phrase. The first 2 words given (I think) being an ‘ARM and APPLE’----this worked phonetically for ‘OUR MAP WILL….or OUR MAP LIE….”

    Anyway……

    These ‘number squares’ are reverse to each other with ‘hint’….
    Is the hint ‘reverse masquerade’ or ‘mirrors masquerade’----

    Which could be either saying the solution is found the same way or it is reverse--border to image.


    Any thoughts?

    sixer
    Thanks Sixer, somehow I completely missed that post the first time around. I apologize for my redundant post
    Jbadeo-

    I was giving a possible answer to your question of ‘what could we be missing?’
    I don’t think what you and others have found is coincidence.

    These number squares may offer the hint of confirming the way to find the ‘riddle’ would be by ‘mirroring masquerade’ or doing the ‘reverse’ of it.

    It was because of your post that brought that into mind----so thank-you. Lol.

    sixer

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    Nice find

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    Quote Originally Posted by suelough View Post
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    I had found "Masquerade" in the squares a few days ago too - and like you, have been trying to figure out what to do with the rest of the letters. The numbers 10, 16 and 18 give IN H T respectively, which could be an anagram of "hint". C MASQUERADE HINT? Hint: C Masquerade?
    Has anyone worked anymore on this?

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