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    The magic squares-


    there are two numerical squares. One on page 17, the other on page 40.

    page 17-

    *the rows and columns add to 152
    *no numbers in position 7 and 13
    *numbers NOT used--2,5,6,7,8,10(adding for 3


    Page 40

    *the rows and columns add to 114
    *again no numbers in 7 and 13(but a point of interest at 7)
    *numbers NOT used--9,11,12,13,14,17(adding for 76)



    looking at the two squares together-

    *the equivalent position from each- added together- will be 19
    *adding both rows from each squares gives 57 and 76
    *numbers in squares go from 0 to 19
    *gives multiples of 19
    *the squares are 4X4


    some thoughts-

    *with 16 bordered illustrations, could a square relate to a illustration?possibly give a way to pick letters from the border?

    *whats with the multiple of 19? On page 30, the plumb bob line extended separates the book date of 1957 in half. Both numbers 19 and 57 are found in the square. (19x3=57)

    *the squares are found on page 17 and 40, which also adds to 57.

    *theres a book on the shelf(page 30)-- thats titled 'mathematics'. I think mathematics may play a part in finding the riddle.


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    You need to complete both magic squares. It makes a difference once you have the 4 missing numbers.

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    A normal magic square with 16 blocks is supposed to be numbered 1 - 16. Each row, column and diagonal would add to the number 15. These squares definitely don't work this way.

    Fur, would you care to give a hint about what you did to complete the squares?
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    Sorry - didn't mean to infer (infur...(furball laughing) that we knew the correct answer. We THINK we do. We spent several hours and the other furball figured out the 4 numbers. As to whether they're correct, I'm not sure but all other available numbers did NOT work - that's kind of important. You cannot have any repeats within each 4x4.

    Magic squares traditionally add horizontally (left to right) and vertically top to bottom to the exact same number. (http://pages.prodigy.net/tetrasulfide/magicsquares.html)
    We have a problem with one line in the old man's and one line in the old ladies. So we'll keep plugging.

    Has anyone ever seen a magic square that did NOT add exactly to the same number if you total each row? Could this quirk be intentional maybe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by furballduo View Post
    Has anyone ever seen a magic square that did NOT add exactly to the same number if you total each row?
    I think that would make it not magic.
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    There are also Multiplication Magic Squares and addition-multiplication magic squares for example.

    I don't think that simple multiplication is the way to go in this case because of the 0 (there would be a row and a column with a 0 as a result while the other ones would be different), but there is still the possibility of addition-multiplication or even a different kind of magic square (maybe made up especially for Fandango) with additions and substractions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sixer13 View Post
    The magic squares-


    there are two numerical squares. One on page 17, the other on page 40.

    page 17-

    *the rows and columns add to 152
    *no numbers in position 7 and 13
    *numbers NOT used--2,5,6,7,8,10(adding for 3


    Page 40

    *the rows and columns add to 114
    *again no numbers in 7 and 13(but a point of interest at 7)
    *numbers NOT used--9,11,12,13,14,17(adding for 76)



    looking at the two squares together-

    *the equivalent position from each- added together- will be 19
    *adding both rows from each squares gives 57 and 76
    *numbers in squares go from 0 to 19
    *gives multiples of 19
    *the squares are 4X4


    some thoughts-

    *with 16 bordered illustrations, could a square relate to a illustration?possibly give a way to pick letters from the border?

    *whats with the multiple of 19? On page 30, the plumb bob line extended separates the book date of 1957 in half. Both numbers 19 and 57 are found in the square. (19x3=57)

    *the squares are found on page 17 and 40, which also adds to 57.

    *theres a book on the shelf(page 30)-- thats titled 'mathematics'. I think mathematics may play a part in finding the riddle.


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    19 seems clearly by design. To extend this further: In Masquerade (and I think everyone is in agreement, that there are uncanny similarities here), the magic squares were used in a way to organize the central puzzle. Early in the solution, one of the mechanism was to put the numbers in order in one of the main squares and then move corresponding positions in other magic squares according to the main square's new organization.

    For instance: If you take the magic square from page 40--colored numbers populate the square. Reorganize the square so that it looks like

    1 2 3 4

    5 6 7 8

    10 15 16 18

    19 0 X X

    and use this new sequential organization to reset another square, like the colored letter magic square on page 11. You get...

    M AS QU E

    R A D E

    IN X H T

    X C P/L P/L

    The bottom half is junk to me, at least right now, but that top half is by design and a nice tribute to Masquerade. Now what to do with this????

    I guess you could organize it also as 0,1,2,3,4 etc, putting 0 first, which would give you "C Masquerade in HTPL or HTLP or HTP" (getting closer to a web address???)

    Is the Masquerade method to be applied to this solve or is Masquerade really a red herring--just a nice tribute???

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    I had found "Masquerade" in the squares a few days ago too - and like you, have been trying to figure out what to do with the rest of the letters. The numbers 10, 16 and 18 give IN H T respectively, which could be an anagram of "hint". C MASQUERADE HINT? Hint: C Masquerade?
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    I like it, SL! Makes much more sense in that context. Now I'll go back and look for more stuff....

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    Yeah, I had found that if you index the letters in increasing numerical order, the two number squares mirror each other.

    Code:
       p17 p40
    
     0  ?   C 
     1  T   M
     2      AS 
     3  H   QU
     4  _   E
     5      R
     6      A
     7      D
     8      E
     9  IN 
    10      IN
    11  E
    12  D
    13  A
    14  R
    15  E   _
    16  QU  H
    17  AS
    18  M   T
    19  C   ?
    WHRECVBBLSMCEYVIHTEOIZROMR

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