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    Quote Originally Posted by astreeturover View Post
    Which the letters missing, the of separate colors ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stvwz View Post
    Interesting concept and seems to make sense. I listed out all the letters and can make some words, but there seems to be a couple of errors. I double checked and can't seem to find better letter matches.

    I have

    Blue= NUMBERS
    Pink= OPE
    Orange= HIDFEN
    Yellow= TREUSRE
    Red= RIDLDE

    The best I can make that makes any sense is Numbers Open Hidden Treasure Riddle
    Just wondering if there might be something NOT there, for example

    ,,,,Blue= NUMBERS
    N: Pink= OPE
    ,,,,Red= RIDLDE
    A: Yellow= TREUSRE
    T: Orange= HIDFEN (find the)
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    I was experimenting with a ruler, and set it diagonally from corner to corner on one of the illustrations. I was struck by the fact that the two diagonal lines missed three of the stars completely, but hit one squarely in the middle. This led me to take a quick look at stars on other pages.

    - All illustrations have four stars except the Cadillac Mack page, which has five.

    - I may be reading too much into this, but sometimes the artist seems to have deliberately squeezed a star into the border phrase so that a diagonal across the page would not cross it; other times the star seems deliberately placed in the way of a diagonal. A third category of star placement seems to put only one or two "arms" of the star slightly in the way of a diagonal. Could there be a selective color code involving only the star arm colors crossed by a diagonal? Or maybe the stars provide guides for diagonals that don't cut straight from corner to corner, but are slightly off-center on each illustration?

    - Only two words/letters in border phrases are touched by stars: the F in "forever" on p. 18, and the S in "flames" on p. 34. (The letter A beginning "A Measure of Gold" may be barely touched by a star on p. 11.)

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    This is not technically related to the star code, but the results are similar. With the star code, we get a set of words and "almost" words:
    NUMBERS OPE HIDFEN TREUSRE RIDLED

    Although most are incomplete or have misplaced letters, they can be read as a coherent statement.

    I was looking at the clocks again, and put them in order by time:

    4:05 (Hidden Away, pg 12)
    6:00 (Fire, pg 35)
    9:05 (And Pie, pg 40)
    12:20 (Sam's watch, pg 45)

    I did not include second hands because 1) they are not on all the clocks, 2) the ones that are there are red, suggesting red herrings, and 3) none point clearly to a specific number/time.

    In the interest of sticking with the simplest approach, I chose to read Sam's watch as we see it, not as he would see it.

    Putting these times in a row, you get 4:05, 6:00, 9:05, 12:20, or 4-5-6-9-5-12-20. Using a simple substitution cipher, (like the 131491 license plate spelling ACADIA), you get DEFIELT, which could be T[h]E FIELD.

    Almost everything that spells out in this book seems to be off just a little: RED/YELLOW BOONK, PAEC FORTY SOUTH, C MASQUERADE iN H T (PL), and the star code words, above. "The Field" seems a bit like a stretch, but I wanted to throw it out there to see if anyone had any thoughts on it.

    The 1947 fire was called in to the fire department at 4:00 in the afternoon. I wondered if the times had anything to do with the progression of the fire.

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    Default Method for using the stars to point to letters????

    Can someone please clarify the proper method they are using to draw the lines?

    Is it draw a line from the center of the star through the point of a particular color and that points to a letter?

    Or, is it draw a line from the point of a particular color to the point of the same color on another star and see what letter the line passes through?

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    Triangulate letters in borders as follows (use a straight edge ruler):
    -Place straight edge on line between color/white on point of a star
    -Follow line to letter in the border
    -Find star point (on same page) with same color and repeat procedure with straight edge
    Example: Letter "H" in "HIS" on page 5. Use orange point of star in upper left hand corner and orange point of star in lower left hand corner.

    Note: message from star code uses same color sequence as numbers 1-5 on grid on page 40 (purple, pink, orange, yellow, red).

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    Quote Originally Posted by rarbowen View Post
    Great catch of the colors in the text. i had not thought about that before. I know music, but only the things I have read previously are all I have found and they seem rather remote. It is curious about the keyboards, though. I keep thinking that will fit in someway. I also think there is more work needed on the star code. I have to really "try" to come up with the same words that have been found before. I have copied every page and can increase them up to 400% on Powerpoint, and then, using a fine line to stay in line with his colors, many of the lines touch upon different letters that the ones we have. I am going to do more work on these when time allows.
    I agree. One problem I have with the star code is that once you determine a "rule" on one page, you have to ignore it on another in order to get to the "correct" letter. One rule I have is that one star point "pins" the letter (the one with the clearest path), and another "confirms" it. This second star point may have to go through other letters, but it will end up on the "pinned" letter.

    But in order for the star code to work as written, some rules must be broken from one page to another. For example, the pink star point in the upper left of the page 19 (Nikon) goes under the ""F of FOREVER to get to the O"" of TO in the opposite border (for the "O" of OPE). Then, on pgs 34-45 (Fire) and there is a yellow point that goes under the "S" of FLAMES in the upper right corner. By my "rule," it should bypass the S and go across the page, but the star code stops on the "S" for the word TREUSRE, and doesn't go under it. But if you follow my rule and follow the trajectory under the "S" and across both pages, it lands on the "N" of IN on the left border, which also happens to have another yellow star point pointing to it. The yellow star point on the left border is the "pin" and the one going under the "S" is the "confirmer."

    This would make TREUSRE into TREUNRE, unless some of the other letters are wrong too. Maybe it's supposed to be TRUE- something... I have found other inconsistencies as well, but haven't so far found a better fit than the one steve came up with.

    There are what I call the "rough" pages - the ones that are poorly painted and the stars are not sharp. Are we supposed to use the letters from these pages? If so, why use them from one page and not another?
    pg. 15 ( Criss Cross) There are two [probably] orange star points that point to the letter "C" in BACK in the bottom border, but this C was not used in the phrase.
    pg. 32 (Indian) The "F" of FUELS was used for the "F" in HIDFEN. But there are also two red star points that point to the letter "A" in the right border, which was not used.
    pg. 55 (Two Together) The "L" of LOST has two red star points pointing to it, the one in the upper right corner "pinning" it and the one in the lower left corner "confirming" it. This letter is also not used in the star code.

    Because adding these left out letters to the star code only muddies the phrase, I wondered if we are supposed to ignore all three of these pages. The only letter used from these "rough" pages is the letter F, which doesn't make sense in the word HIDFEN.

    NUMBERS is pretty clear, but the rest of the words seem to be partial &/or misspelled words. I think you are right, that more work needs to be done with this code.

    I remember Pel saying that these are very large paintings, some 3x4 feet, shrunk down to book size, so enlarging them to see better detail is not a bad idea!

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    Theda, When I played with these stars, my "rules" were very simple. Two rays triangulating - thats it. No pin and no confirmer. Only if the two arms of the star with like colors crossed on a letter. I had not heard that bit about the very large drawings, thats interesting. If that is true, unless something happened in the printing of the books, I would have thought the accuracy would be spot on. Given that we have these missing and wrong letters, it almost makes you wonder if they are red herrings, or the obvious mistakes somehow to be used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stvwz View Post
    Theda, When I played with these stars, my "rules" were very simple. Two rays triangulating - thats it. No pin and no confirmer. Only if the two arms of the star with like colors crossed on a letter. I had not heard that bit about the very large drawings, thats interesting. If that is true, unless something happened in the printing of the books, I would have thought the accuracy would be spot on. Given that we have these missing and wrong letters, it almost makes you wonder if they are red herrings, or the obvious mistakes somehow to be used.
    I agree. I still think you have it mostly right, or right enough for it to tell us what we need. Both stars not always a "clear shot" to the letter, but there is always at least one that is, which is the one I call the "pin." The second line might also be a clear shot, but often times it has to go through other letters to get to the one we want to use. In Masquerade triangulation was not needed, if a line pointed to a letter, you used that letter. But in Fandango if you use all letters identified using single star points, it's pretty much gibberish. I appreciate the work you did on this star code, it's not easy to figure out where these lines area supposed to go. I feel NUMBERS is dead-on; the others, I keep finding possible additional letters, or eliminating some, but the results are never as clear as OPE HIDFEN TREUSRE! I can't imagine going to so much work to make a red herring. It has to mean something!

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