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    I guess I could be wrong on the vertical street on the left. Perhaps it's Kebo Street?
    What's odd though, is where it runs into Cromwell Harbor Rd. On the book map, there's a little dogleg at the bottom that runs from Kebo to Cromwell Harbor.

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    It shows up on google maps. But what's odd is that if you look at topography

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    It just appears to be the border of a bunch of trees. Is there a path there or something? I don't see anything on street view. Seems odd that it would be so highlighted in orange as a road?

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    There is no longer a road there, but historically there was. Maps up through 1956 show the branch, but it is no longer present in maps from the early 1980's.

    1896 Bar Harbor map
    1904 Bar Harbor map
    other Bar Harbor maps up to 1956

    From the MDI Historical Society site:
    Kebo Street – north–south between intersection with Eagle Lake Road, Eden Street, and Mount Desert Street at the north end and Cromwell Harbor Road at the south end once called Stony Hill Road

    1904 – Map showed two branches at the south end, the west branch being the current route. What was the each branch now appears to be the northeast boundary of the triangular parcel of 65 Kebo Street.
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    That's interesting, thanks for the info.

    Anybody have an idea why a street that doesn't make it onto maps by the 80s is highlighted on the book map? It was called Stony Hill Road? Kind of a generic name, doesn't add much. Odd, though

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    Quote Originally Posted by bnut View Post
    That's interesting, thanks for the info.

    Anybody have an idea why a street that doesn't make it onto maps by the 80s is highlighted on the book map? It was called Stony Hill Road? Kind of a generic name, doesn't add much. Odd, though
    Comparing a variety of maps - including the 1956 one, the one in my Maine Atlas, the one put out by the park service, and Google maps to name a few, I find they are all a little different, even comparing current ones. So whether a specific road matches the exact curve shown on any one of them, or whether a mark is in the exact same spot, is less important to me than why the authors chose specific roads to include on their map. They included a number of minor side roads, ones that don't even show up on some of the maps. Why pick those and not others?

    I have a theory about why they selected the roads they did, but admit I hadn't noticed that little connector that is no longer there. Good catch. I've been working off the premise that we don't need to go "outside" the book to find answers, and so far my theory has fit using just the information on the Fandango map. I admit I've been comparing maps, but I'm trying not to base my conclusions on what I find there. I try to find things that can "prove out" using the book. I will take another look at that little connector to see if and how it fits with my theory.

    Thanks for your discussion on this! And for the images - I don't know how to add photos here so I appreciate the ones others post!

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    in the gmap imgs is where i think the road was
    at neter, the dogleg road is not there after 1970
    in topo gone in 1983
    if you have never used neter
    type in one of the addy below,choose roads,switch
    between maps you can do topos too and it has a
    compare feature

    108 Cromwell Harbor Rd
    Bar Harbor, Maine
    https://goo.gl/maps/7c5P639KkvD2
    65 Kebo St
    Bar Harbor, Maine
    https://goo.gl/maps/aFFGN3TKiNM2

    historic aerials
    https://www.historicaerials.com/viewer

    dont see any info on the dogleg here, havent looked
    much at what the abutter,AMORY HILL TRUST is
    there is a layer tab, i didnt look at it much
    Parcel ID: 110-002-000
    then click find abutters @ 0 feet
    the abutter @ dogleg is AMORY HILL TRUST
    Parcel ID: 107-020-000
    choose public
    GIS | Bar Harbor, ME - Official Website

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    Wow, I never knew about the old cross road from Kebo St to Cromwell Harbor. My friend owns the house in the wood on that corner. Sounds like I need to pay him a visit and take a walk.

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    A couple of observations about some MDI maps:

    I will be going to MDI for a few days soon and pulled out my waterproof Appalachian Mountain Club map of the island to pick out a few hikes. I was immediately struck by the similarities between this map and the Fandango map - I'm pretty sure this is the map they used as a template for the book - it has all the same roads highlighted, and it includes that little dog leg at the intersection of Kebo Street and Cromwell Harbor Road. The athletic fields along Main Street are marked and, because it is a topographic map, it has contour markings showing the elevations of the island and its mountains. The labels look hand-written, so it resembles the map scraps on page 11, "Hidden Away." This map came in the AMC Guide Book for Maine, but I haven't been able to find it online.

    The other map I looked at is from Acadia National Park and is sort of a "dumbed down" quick guide to Acadia's attractions. Comparing it to the Fandango map, the POI at Jordan Pond does not fall on Jordan Pond House. I knew this once, but had forgotten as I focused my attention on other ideas. The Jordan Pond House is at the southwestern tip of the pond, while the POI is on the southeastern side, and farther up, along the Park Loop Road. I can't find anything significant along here, and don't know if this is relevant to solving the riddle or not. Mount Desert Island Map - Acadia Maine

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    Can you post a picture of the App Mtn map?

    Does anybody know how many of the blue Shore Path signs there are? I know of three: the one I discussed at the intersection of Barberry and Hideaway, the one at the end of Hancock, and the one at Agamont Park. Does anybody know where this one is:
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    Acadia National Park

    It seems to be along the path somewhere? So there are four? Or at least four? I was thinking the ONE OF FOUR/THE LAST IN LINE
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    Also, on the key page there this little swatch of green map with an 8? and a red X.

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    I know they post things like elevations on maps, like the 852 to the right of that. But why would a map just have an "8"? They wouldn't put an 8 ft elevation. Is it an infity symbol sideways?

    There's a hotel with an infity pool on the roof that's across from the Agamont park sign:

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    Note the 8/inf thing and the red X are directly under the gemini symbol and two gemini figures, both looking like a sign with two parallel vertical bar connected with horizontals.

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    And that section of the key page is a big triangle, like the entire shore path

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    and there looks to be the bottom of another triangle in the water behind the key

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    Quote Originally Posted by bnut View Post
    Can you post a picture of the App Mtn map?

    Does anybody know how many of the blue Shore Path signs there are? I know of three: the one I discussed at the intersection of Barberry and Hideaway, the one at the end of Hancock, and the one at Agamont Park. Does anybody know where this one is:
    http://rock-village.com/images/2012/...O_3812_sml.jpg
    Acadia National Park

    It seems to be along the path somewhere? So there are four? Or at least four? I was thinking the ONE OF FOUR/THE LAST IN LINE
    Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet

    Also, on the key page there this little swatch of green map with an 8? and a red X.

    Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet

    I know they post things like elevations on maps, like the 852 to the right of that. But why would a map just have an "8"? They wouldn't put an 8 ft elevation. Is it an infity symbol sideways?

    There's a hotel with an infity pool on the roof that's across from the Agamont park sign:

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    Note the 8/inf thing and the red X are directly under the gemini symbol and two gemini figures, both looking like a sign with two parallel vertical bar connected with horizontals.
    The Shore Path sign is located by the Balance Rock.

    The hotel with the Infinity Pool was just built back in 2010 and opened in 2011.

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