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    Right from the beginning I noticed the bold letters in the state's names and in the pictures.

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    S, E, E, I, R, N, E, T

    Pictures-

    P, E, L, C, I, E, (8 States), N, O, D, R, R, A

    Another thing that I noticed was the spelling of Dakota. In South and North Dakota, the author spells it 'Dakoda'. And for South Dakota the author abbreviates South. In no other state is that done.

    Those were my first observations. Just thought we could get this thread to be more active.

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    These observations and much more have been posted at the Q4T Golden Apple Tale forum. The information there really is worth reading. Pine Tree posted a lot of great observations.

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    I read that right after I posted. It was very interesting and mentioned things that I hadn't thought of.

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    I think it would be interesting to hear some theories about why Cassiopeia is significant, given that she is mentioned twice. Brainstorming ideas:

    1. Cassiopeia is a place name (I could find no towns by that name, though). As in "Lake Cassiopeia" or "Cassiopeia Way."

    2. Perhaps she is one part of a larger astronomical puzzle. p. 28 is a pretty good representation of the night sky - I checked it against websites with constellation maps.

    3. That page's verse states Some stars at night / Rest on the horizon (i.e., Cass). But what could the other two lines mean?

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    If the drawing on page 28 is accurate, it tells what latitude the picture is at. When I have time to look at it more carefully, I can probably figure out times/dates based on the positions of the north circumpolar stars.
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    Here is a version of the file I've been working with. It's the best I can do with connect-the-dots and a copy of a copy.


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    In the northern hemisphere, the height of Polaris above the horizon is equal to your latitude. Also, at its lowest point, Cassiopeia borders the horizon at 30 degrees north latitude. So I would estimate that this "orchard" is at 35 +/- 2 degrees north latitude.

    Around the time this book was published, the sky would look as in the drawing at the following dates/times:

    Code:
    Standard/DST       Date
    ------------       ----
    6 p.m./7 p.m.      Aug. 1
    7 p.m./8 p.m.      Jul. 15
    8 p.m./9 p.m.      Jul. 1
    9 p.m./10 p.m.     Jun. 15  
    10 p.m./11 p.m.    Jun. 1    
    11 p.m./12 a.m.    May 15 
    12 a.m./1 a.m.     May 1 
    1 a.m./2 a.m.      Apr. 15
    2 a.m./3 a.m.      Apr. 1
    3 a.m./4 a.m.      Mar. 15
    4 a.m./5 a.m.      Mar.1
    5 a.m./6 a.m.      Feb. 15
    6 a.m./7 a.m.      Feb. 1

    BTW, that is Cynus (a.k.a. the Northern Cross) in the upper right in the drawing.
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    On a whim, I marked the location of the letters in the drawings onto a sheet of paper and I got the following result (locations are approximate):

    Code:
              R         
       O             D
                          E      R
    
    
                                                                      N
    
    
    
    
                    I
    
    
    
    
    
    
                                                                           P
          E
              C                                      L     
    
    
                                          A

    So a clue? Place in order ... what?
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    Molnar - that's terrific, thank you.

    Following are some observations I made over at the Q4T forum. For the sake of completeness...

    I just wanted to point out that the names in this book are extremely peculiar. Only the illustrator (Karen Wagner) has a normal-looking name.

    Cam Kaskgn
    Cy Donleg
    Willis Donleg
    Del Donleg
    Mac Donleg
    Nellie Donleg
    Kathline Donleg
    Hal Mac Intosh
    Azar Mac Intosh
    Arvin Mac Intosh

    Of the other two names, "Pie Face" is actually reasonable for a horse ("pie" as in spotted or piebald), and "Oconomowoc," (apparently Potowatomi for "where the waters meet, or river of lakes") is a town in Wisconsin a little west of Milwaukee.

    "Donleg" anagrammed is "Golden." "Mac Intosh" has an unusual separation between the "Mac" and the "Intosh" that might be significant. McIntosh is a popular variety of red apple. So together, the family names could be read "Golden Apple."

    With the exception of Cy, the first two letters of every Donleg and Mac Intosh first name is a common abbreviation for a state (note: not the postal abbreviation):

    CA: California; KA: Kansas
    WI: Wisconsin
    DE: Delaware
    MA: Maine / Massachusetts
    NE: Nebraska
    KA: Kansas
    HA: Hawaii
    AZ: Arizona
    AR: Arkansas / Arizona

    Finally, "Cam" is the reverse of "Mac."

    I wonder if anyone sees a pattern that I do not.

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    Yeah, I saw the thing about the names = states thing. That's pretty cool.

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