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    Default 'The Golden Apple Tale' Poem

    Here is a compiled version of the poem:

    Although the Sun rises in the East
    Low lands will have frost
    Tomorrow is another day
    Over and over again

    If your clock stops,
    Watch someone elses.
    Hands are helpful,
    But a shovel works best.

    Chose a City, then proceed to this rhyme,
    Miss Muffet’s meal didn’t cost a dime.
    Travel 3 leagues plus 2/3 more west,
    Before you decide to exit and rest.

    In your quest,
    Do not rest long.
    Your hunt ends,
    Where your return begins.

    Seek a presage
    to give you a clue.
    Three are 2’s and
    Two are 3’s.

    Some trees have leaves,
    And some have needles,
    At this point in time,
    They all look like hay stacks.

    That which
    you’ve seen to be so,
    Use a map
    In the rain, wind, or snow.

    Your Quest draws nearer
    So don’t get to smart.
    In order to retrieve,
    You must first construct.

    From the remainder,
    Locate the Omphalos.
    Man has two feet,
    So look that far down.


    Graviety is important,
    So don’t treat it lightly.
    A car has two headlights,
    Discard the two dimist.

    Friends are caring,
    But gossip will spread.
    Don’t let it bother you,
    or go to your head.

    Some stars at night,
    Rest on the horizon.
    Be very quiet or
    you might wake one up.

    ~crystalbtrfly07

    P.S. I know there are spelling mistakes, odd capitalizations, and grammar mistakes, but I believe they are all in the book.

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    Just some FYI's and I'm sure they've been posted on Q4T, but right now, I don't want to figure out what my password is:

    I looked up some words:
    Presage- an omen, a prediction

    Omphalos- the navel, or center point


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    sorry, I'm new to GAT (haha, what if it was the Golden New Apple Tale, GNAT hahaha!) anyways, I have been working on it sporadically for a few weeks now, and how dd you get the poem. was there a Lot of IntriKatE puzzles THat are part of the whole thIng, Secret messages and the sort? or was it out in the open and I didn't see it. :argh: like ATT (fairly obious once you get it)??

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    IwanttheHummingBird-

    I got it from the quatrains (four line stanzas) written in regular text, usually in the corners of the pictures. I just wrote each part out and compiled it.

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    Moscow-

    Hmmm... Omphalos means center... So if you read the poem it says, "From the remainder, Locate the Omphalos". We're supposed to locate the center? Odd, but the definition fits in with the context of the sentence.


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    Quote Originally Posted by crystalbtrfly07

    Hmmm... Omphalos means center... So if you read the poem it says, "From the remainder, Locate the Omphalos". We're supposed to locate the center? Odd, but the definition fits in with the context of the sentence.
    And then you get the two lines:
    Man has two feet,
    So look that far down
    Which says to me, once you've located the "center" or navel, look two feet down.

    But that might be 3 feet down, because of the other verse about the twos and threes.

    I only looked at this this morning, but am intrigued...

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    Good observation about the 2 or 3 feet thing.


    I went through the poem and made some observations:

    - I think the mention of weather and position of the sun is odd and/or important.

    - He also makes a point of mentioning time and the hands of a clock.

    - It says "Choose a City, then proceed to this rhyme". That sounds important, but there are state's names everywhere, not city's.

    - "Miss Muffet's meal didn't cost a dime": In the nursery rhyme she had curds and whey, and sat on a tuffet.

    -"Seek a presage to give you a clue. Three are 2’s and Two are 3’s." If presage is an omen, we are supposed to seek an omen?

    - "Some stars at night, Rest on the horizon. Be very quiet or you might wake one up." Stars must symbolize something, or "wake one up" means something else. I don't remember the last time I woke up a star, can you?

    - The mention of gossip is just odd and seems out of place.

    - We have to construct something and use the remainder to locate the Omphalos (center).

    - Leaves look like "haystacks" in the fall and are no longer covering the trees.

    - "A car has two headlights, Discard the two dimist." If it has two, and we discard two, than don't we have zero?


    Just some thing I thought I would point out.

    ~ crystalbtrfly07

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    Since folks seem intent on reinventing the wheel in some parts of this hunt, I will take the liberty of re-posting Pine Tree's incredible post from the Q4T forum (July 10, 2005) in full:

    Everything I have is below.
    WARNING - SPOILERS AHEAD!!!

    - Mythology - There are four pretty obvious mythological references:
    1. “Golden Apple” – as in the golden apples of the Hesperides
    2. Cassiopeia shows up in the constellations on p29, and then as the solution to the map code.
    3. Omphalos (p22) was the “navel of the world” located at Delphi, with the Oracle
    4. Atlas – There’s an atlas on the table on p6.

    - Character Names - "Cam Kaskgn" and "Cy Donleg" are both un-real names (not the kind of thing that shows up on Google or in phone directories), but look like they could have been made with the same substitution cipher. Azar and Arvin might, too.

    - Letters in states – SEEIRNETP. I see "Pinetrees" at least, but haven't gone much farther.

    - Letters in pictures – PELCIENODRRA. Also haven't done anything with them. I would believe it if these were pieces of a substitution cipher or a counting code, but I haven't made any progress on it.

    - p4 - "the Sun rises in the East" might imply something directional about the picture. The shadow positions are all consistent, and if the picture is supposedly at sunrise, then you're facing roughly South.

    - p7- The clock says 11:52pm, but the text has the scene right after supper. Maybe (per the verse) you're supposed to use this somehow.

    - p8 - "Chose" should say "choose". The capitalization of the word City could be name-specific (that is, you're looking for a place called ________ City). "Miss Muffet's meal didn't cost a dime" seems to translate to the word freeway (free whey). A league has various definitions, but one of the consistent ones is 3.0 miles, so 3 2/3 would be 11 miles west. If you're on a freeway, then "exit and rest" might refer to a rest stop.

    - p11 - S. DAKODA is significant twice, obviously. First for being the only state abbreviated, and second for the misspelling (also shows up in the other Dakota). The D/T substitution might be an instruction for some other decoding.

    - p12 - Oconomowoc is a town in Wisconsin, and there used to be an Aeppler Orchard there, according to vintage signs for sale ("Land O-Lakes Apples") on the Internet. A "presage" is an omen or a prediction of something to come. Maybe it's a sign on the highway like "Albuquerque 42 miles" or something. The last two lines of the verse might mean something like 22233 or BBBCC, or some combination thereof. Maybe taken together it’s something like a mileage sign that says “Doyle - 222 miles, Watson - 33 miles”

    - p21 - "to smart" should be "too smart".

    - p22 - "look that far down" implies that something is either buried 2' down or, if you're on a vertical surface, is 2' below the center (Omphalos) of the object. The text here also implies that the jewel is hidden in a red clay container (a la The Hare).

    - p25 - NORTH DAKODA has the D/T situation. "Graviety" should be "gravity" and "dimist" should be "dimmist" (I think).

    - p29 - The stars in this view give you a different orientation from the previous view. Here you're definitely looking North (see Polaris). The stars resting on the horizon, as the verse mentions, are Cassiopeia. This ties with the map code.

    - Other text info -
    - Emphasis is placed on the jewel's location in the first tree of the third row, and then being moved to the first tree in the second row. This seems like a clue regarding location.
    - Sioux references imply a particular area of the country, with South Dakota being an obvious very strong candidate. There is of course a city called Sioux Falls. In Iowa there's also a Sioux City.
    - I've killed a bunch of pheasants in SD, and the landscape in the pictures looks a lot like parts of SD, too, much more so than Iowa. The area around Sioux Falls, though, lacks the rugged mountains shown on page 10. But one thing that seems severely out of place in SD is an apple orchard.

    - Map info -
    - Why was the story restricted to 48 states, even going so far as to make the point in the text?
    - I have several possible reads on the "8 States" note. First, 8 states start with the letter M. Second, 8 states border the Great Lakes. Third, 8 states border Missouri, and fourth, 8 border Tennessee.
    - The map code spells out Cassiopeia. Go 1,2,3,4,5,6,I,II,III,IV and you get Colorado, Washington, Wisconsin, Missouri, Michigan, California, Pennsylvania, Texas, Maine, Arkansas. First letter of CO is C. Second letter of WA is A. Third letter of WI is S. Fourth letter of MO is S. Fifth letter of MI is I. Sixth letter of CA is O. First letter of PA is P. Second letter of TX is E. Third letter of ME is I. Fourth letter of AR is A.
    - The state capitals are all located generally correctly, except for one. The capital of Maryland is distinctly wrong. The star is on Washington DC instead of Annapolis (an apple less ).

    - Incoherent Personality of the Author -
    - On one hand, he seems to have commissioned a jewel, spent the effort to conceal it for the ages in some secure way, and created a puzzle to lead to it's location, but on the other hand his book is, er, a bit basic, with a campy story, sketchy home-grown artwork and no apparent editor. (Alternative suggestions are that he already owned the jewel and the typos are deliberate)
    - On one hand he has an "about the author" page with lots of pretense about creativity and contribution, but on the other hand his creation is sortof a knock-off of Masquerade.
    - The author is referred to in the third person on pages 30 and 31. Is this pretense or an indication that there are really two creators? Two creators would help explain the Organized/Disorganized personality problem.
    - I really get the feeling that this is two young males working together as a composite personality.

    That's it.
    If there ever comes a time when credit is due, then Pine Tree deserves a big chunk of it.

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    Thanks for re-posting Pine Trees ideas. It will be helpful to have everything in one place, and I keep forgetting what has already been said. I hope we can get more people working on this hunt. It has been too long since this hunt was released; this is one thing that bothers me in multiple ways. It bothers me just in the fact that I want it solved, but also that it may be very hard or near unsolvable, since over the last 20-or-so years no one has solved it. Now we have big forums, though, which gives me some comfort. If we can't solve it with all these people, than I would say this hunt is pretty sad.

    ~ crystalbtrfly07

    P.S. I know the author says it could be solved by a 12 year old, but we know not to take that too seriously after ATT. I know a twelve year old isn't a young child, and a 12 year old probably could have solved ATT, but a young child could not have, despite his constant saying that a child or anyone who could read could solve it. I'm not disrespecting or nagging on anyone, just saying not too pay too much attention to that aspect of it.

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    Default A few random thoughts

    Although the Sun rises in the East
    Low lands will have frost
    Tomorrow is another day
    Over and over again
    Why are "Sun" and "East" capitalized?

    "Tomorrow is another day" were the last words in Margaret Mitchell's Gone with the Wind, both the book and the movie.

    Andover is a city in 10 different states, according to Mapquest.

    If your clock stops,
    Watch someone elses.
    Hands are helpful,
    But a shovel works best
    The first three lines are probably references to the clock in the picture.

    The "A is for Apple" reference may be a clue.

    Chose a City, then proceed to this rhyme,
    Miss Muffet's meal didn't cost a dime.
    Travel 3 leagues plus 2/3's more west,
    Before you decide to exit and rest.
    Pine Tree notes: "Chose" should say "choose". The capitalization of the word City could be name-specific (that is, you're looking for a place called ________ City). "Miss Muffet's meal didn't cost a dime" seems to translate to the word freeway (free whey). A league has various definitions, but one of the consistent ones is 3.0 miles, so 3 2/3 would be 11 miles west. If you're on a freeway, then "exit and rest" might refer to a rest stop.

    "exit and rest" could also refer to any exit along the freeway, not necessarily a rest stop.

    In your quest,
    Do not rest long.
    Your hunt ends,
    Where your return begins.

    Seek a presage
    to give you a clue.
    Three are 2's and
    Two are 3's.
    Pine Tree notes: A "presage" is an omen or a prediction of something to come. Maybe it's a sign on the highway like "Albuquerque 42 miles" or something. The last two lines of the verse might mean something like 22233 or BBBCC, or some combination thereof. Maybe taken together it's something like a mileage sign that says "Doyle - 222 miles, Watson - 33 miles."

    Some trees have leaves,
    And some have needles.
    At this point in time,
    They all look like hay stacks.
    A reference to the saying "like finding a needle in a haystack." Perhaps this implies that we have to find a single tree amid many.

    Trees with needles could refer to the PINETREES anagram.

    That with which
    you've seen to be so,
    Use as a map
    In the rain, wind, or snow.

    Your Quest draws nearer
    So don't get to smart.
    In order to retrieve,
    You must first construct
    I would really like "construct" to mean "build a ladder, because the next two verses may instruct the reader to climb up an apple tree and look down a hole that you can't see into from the ground (hmmm, now where have we heard about hiding things in tree holes before...).

    From the remainder,
    Locate the Omphalos.
    Man has two feet,
    So look that far down.

    Graviety is important,
    So don't treat it lightly.
    A car has two headlights,
    Discard the two dimist.
    Pine Tree notes: NORTH DAKODA has the D/T situation. "Graviety" should be "gravity" and "dimist" should be "dimmist" (I think).

    The first two lines refer to the apocryphal genesis of Isaac Newton's theories regarding gravity, inspired by an apple falling on his head. I read this as either "watch out for falling apples" or "since you're on a ladder, be careful."

    Friends are caring,
    But gossip will spread.
    Don't let it bother you,
    or go to your head
    ?

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    I definatly agree that the gossip thing is odd, it struck me as really out of place.

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