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    Default Lets Look at Reality Here

    Ok I'm really new here but this hunt really interests me. However I think itís time we began to look at the reality of this treasure hunt. Firstly, if buried in 1982 the Golden apple will have been in the ground 27 years. The book states that it was buried inside a clay apple (Masquerade style) and it also seems very likely that it was buried near a tree or trees. In 27 years trees change, fall down, are cut down, and if nothing else grow. The Masquerade hare was in the ground for less than 2 years I believe and in a graveyard, not near any trees. In 27 years tree root growth and expansion as well as the other elements of nature such as seasonal frost and rain (as many have suggested it is in an area that receives both snow and rain) coupled with being buried only 2 feet down (as many have also suggested) would leave a hollow clay apple in broken shards at the very least. I would think that an author who would not only put a puzzle together of this magnitude, as well as cover his tracks so well that we have yet to find even a name, would have taken this into consideration. However, the original submission P.O. box is gone and the hunt is yet to be called off, however there would be no way for us to know this. Simply put, to bring any closure to this hunt at all we need to find the author! Now there are four clues mentioned in the book that could lead us to his whereabouts.
    Cam Kaskgn and his biography, the name is an obvious pseudonym with no real indication as to the correct solution. Even if we already had the correct solution we would have no way of verifying it until we actually found the author.
    Jeffery B. Juhas the jeweler. Now I have read that some from this forum have been in contact with him but did not mention how he corresponded with the author, when he had contact with him, and details of their arrangements. Now he may not be willing to give out this information but has anyone even asked? Obviously if he did not want to reveal this info that is certainly alright, but it would not hurt to ask. What is Juhasí contact info?
    Karen Wagner the illustrator would obviously have worked very closely with the author during the creation of the book because of all the visual clues that are contained within. Contact with her would almost certainly lead us to the author. Her name does not seem to be a pseudonym and the reason for this could be that she was fairly unknown at the time of the writing and wished to be able to put the book on her resume. In which case she may have illustrated some other small name books in the area or time period of the publishing. Does anyone have any leads or clues as to Karenís whereabouts?
    Lastly, the publisher. I cannot find anything substantial online about a publisher that would have ever used the listed P.O. Box. However, I may be looking in the wrong places. Still either the publisher must have been very small name or, more likely, the book was self published, in which case we wonít have much luck trying to follow up on it. Does anyone have any legitimate info on the actual publisher of this book?
    Some people may say that we do not need the author to solve this hunt, but 27 years is too long for that golden apple to sit in the ground. And without verification how are we ever to know that any of our theories are correct. Realistically I think that before this mystery can be solved we need to know whether or not this hunt is still on, and have some real world proof set before us . Otherwise I do not believe it will be able to withstand the test of time.

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    Does anyone know of anyone who was active in this hunt in it's early years when the P.O. Box was still active? Maybe even somone who submitted the dollar for "When the Tale is Over?" There may have been some info sent out before the P.O. Box closed.

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    You make good points, mp005. I'm reluctant to ask the jeweller things we should be able to figure out for ourselves in the spirit of the hunt, but it's a free country so you should try if you want to. He wasn't hard to track down.

    As for the illustrator, Karen Wagner is a common name and people do get married and remarried sometimes, so that's been a dead end. There are some artists by that name, though, so it could be followed up.

    As for the publisher, there was a real Fantasy Press in existence from 1946 to 1961, so that can't be it. I think this book was self-published.
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    Thanks forest it's only that, at this point, I'm afraid if we don't begin to delve into the real world to find some concrete answers on this one we're going to lose it altogether. You seem to be one of the few left here with a truly vested intrest in this hunt. All I'm saying is over twenty years of almost no contact is a little long. Alot could have happened that we don't know about. I don't want to see the work of all the people working on this come to nothing...

    Quote Originally Posted by forest_blight View Post
    You make good points, mp005. I'm reluctant to ask the jeweller things we should be able to figure out for ourselves in the spirit of the hunt, but it's a free country so you should try if you want to. He wasn't hard to track down.

    As for the illustrator, Karen Wagner is a common name and people do get married and remarried sometimes, so that's been a dead end. There are some artists by that name, though, so it could be followed up.

    As for the publisher, there was a real Fantasy Press in existence from 1946 to 1961, so that can't be it. I think this book was self-published.

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    Here's a bit of hope to cling to. In the hunt The Secret, which also began in 1982, one of the 12 keys was unearthed in 1984 but the second did not emerge until 2004. It *can* be done. The longer it stays hidden, the bigger the high when you find it.
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    Default Buried?

    I'm not convinced the apple is buried at all. I've wondered why the intro in the book says that "Cam Kaskgn will meet you there and accompany you on your adventure." I suspect the apple may be in a place that is not accessible without Cam's help. Unfortunately, that would mean we would have no chance without the author making himself available again.

    I was wondering, as you are, if anyone on this board had actually sent in $1 back in the day. I wish someone with an actual copy of the book would come forward as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by mp005 View Post
    Firstly, if buried in 1982 the Golden apple will have been in the ground 27 years. The book states that it was buried inside a clay apple (Masquerade style) and it also seems very likely that it was buried near a tree or trees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tpschar View Post
    I'm not convinced the apple is buried at all. I've wondered why the intro in the book says that "Cam Kaskgn will meet you there and accompany you on your adventure." I suspect the apple may be in a place that is not accessible without Cam's help. Unfortunately, that would mean we would have no chance without the author making himself available again.

    I was wondering, as you are, if anyone on this board had actually sent in $1 back in the day. I wish someone with an actual copy of the book would come forward as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by mp005 View Post
    Firstly, if buried in 1982 the Golden apple will have been in the ground 27 years. The book states that it was buried inside a clay apple (Masquerade style) and it also seems very likely that it was buried near a tree or trees.
    Who's to say that Cam didn't dig up his own apple and sell it to recoup his costs and just moved on with his life. I also thought it strange that Cam had to meet the person at the site (I think he even offered to pay the transportation cost) to retrieve the object.

    Good luck

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    Default That's why I started this

    I know! we need to find these things out! "Spirit of the hunt" or not. Before I really start working on this book I want to know if this still exists! I think I'm very close to finding the illustrator and hopefully in turn, Cam. forest, The Secret was different. People knew who the author was, they *know* the hunt is real. I for one, intend to find out this much at least about The Golden Apple Tale. If I can do that much I'll have done enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stvwz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by tpschar View Post
    I'm not convinced the apple is buried at all. I've wondered why the intro in the book says that "Cam Kaskgn will meet you there and accompany you on your adventure." I suspect the apple may be in a place that is not accessible without Cam's help. Unfortunately, that would mean we would have no chance without the author making himself available again.

    I was wondering, as you are, if anyone on this board had actually sent in $1 back in the day. I wish someone with an actual copy of the book would come forward as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by mp005 View Post
    Firstly, if buried in 1982 the Golden apple will have been in the ground 27 years. The book states that it was buried inside a clay apple (Masquerade style) and it also seems very likely that it was buried near a tree or trees.
    Who's to say that Cam didn't dig up his own apple and sell it to recoup his costs and just moved on with his life. I also thought it strange that Cam had to meet the person at the site (I think he even offered to pay the transportation cost) to retrieve the object.

    Good luck
    Thanks. I think he probably wanted to meet the hunter because he didn't want the same thing that happened to Kit Williams with Masquerade to happen to him.

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    Default so...

    I've contacted the person that I am 99% sure is the illustrator... now all I have to do is wait and see if she gets back so me... *sigh*

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