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    Default New theory

    I new a new theory about the apple. I believe it is (was) hidden in Alaska.

    I'll wait until you stop laughing.

    Ok. I'll start taking you though what I found. In this first message, I'll start with the state clues.

    Note that the intro says the apple is hidden "Somewhere in the continental United States". There is a least one source I've found that allows for Alaska to be included in the term 'Continental United States.'

    See http://en.allexperts.com/e/c/co/cont...ted_states.htm

    Let's start with the first part of the poem:

    Although the Sun rises in the East

    I believe the 'although' is just a hint to look west.

    Low lands will have frost

    See 'permafrost', of which there is quite a bit in Alaska

    Tomorrow is another day
    Over and over again

    Alaska is the 'Land of the Midnight Sun'


    Also, compare the state flag of Alaska to the star picture on page 28 rotated 90 degrees (are we waking stars up by disturbing them in this way?) in the pictures I've attached below.

    Comments welcome; more to follow.
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    Default Part 2: The City

    The starting city is the capital, Juneau.

    'Chose a City' - Juneau, where City means 'capital city'.

    The clues to Juneau come in the form of its latitude and longitude. Let's start with the latitude. Using our old friend, Casseopeia, we discard the 'two dimist' stars, and, like a car, we concentrate on the two brightest (like the car's high beams.)

    The two brightest are alpha and gamma, with declinations of 56 32 14.7 and 60 43 00.3, respectively. Directly between 56 and 60 degrees we have the latitude of Juneau, Alaska (58 18' 7") - the 'omphalos', perhaps?

    The longitude is very interesting, and perhaps the strongest clue I have. It is found on page 6, using:

    11:52 (the time on the clock)
    4 (A is for apple - note the circled dot in the word for)
    3/1 (for March 1, the date on the calendar)

    Put them together and get:

    1152431

    Now reverse it (ORDER IN ECALP? Or maybe the OHIO that can be read backwards in a mirror?) and get:

    1342511, or

    134 25' 11"

    See a plot of this longitude on here on MapQuest. It falls in the dead center of downtown Juneau, Alaska.

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    Wow, really cool theory!!
    "...it may well be doubted whether human ingenuity can construct an enigma of the kind which human ingenuity may not, by proper application, resolve."

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    Wow, this board is completely dead.

    Here's a little more. If we take the 'freeway' west exactly 11 miles (3 leagues plus 2/3 more) we arrive at Mendenhall Loop Road, which loops back (where your return begins?) to the highway. Halfway around this loop is the Mendenhall Glacier Visitor Center, part of the Tongass National Forest (PINE TREES?), which is the area I'm concentrating on right now.

    Has everyone left this board for good?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tpschar View Post
    Wow, this board is completely dead.

    Here's a little more. If we take the 'freeway' west exactly 11 miles (3 leagues plus 2/3 more) we arrive at Mendenhall Loop Road, which loops back (where your return begins?) to the highway. Halfway around this loop is the Mendenhall Glacier Visitor Center, part of the Tongass National Forest (PINE TREES?), which is the area I'm concentrating on right now.

    Has everyone left this board for good?
    Still here - just on to other hunts

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    No, not gone but I have not had the time to come back except a quick lurk. I was surprised that I had a lot of responses to something I posted a while ago and sat idle for a long time, so don't feel bad - the interest seems to cycle. I like your theory in that it might explain Cassiopeia - so maybe I'll have another look when it calms down for me in a month or so. Meanwhile, keep at it, fresh ideas are always good on a trail as stale as this one!

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    So who wants to head up to Alaska and check?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mp005 View Post
    So who wants to head up to Alaska and check?
    Hah! Little late in the season but you might make it. One of my original premises was that Kam didn't have a big budget. Given his background, I was musing that, perhaps, he once worked at the Mendenhall Glacier Center or in Tongass NF. It is not particularly far-fetched.

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    Default Latitude and Longitude

    Quote Originally Posted by tpschar View Post
    The starting city is the capital, Juneau.

    ...

    The clues to Juneau come in the form of its latitude and longitude. Let's start with the latitude. Using our old friend, Casseopeia, we discard the 'two dimist' stars, and, like a car, we concentrate on the two brightest (like the car's high beams.)

    The two brightest are alpha and gamma, with declinations of 56 32 14.7 and 60 43 00.3, respectively. Directly between 56 and 60 degrees we have the latitude of Juneau, Alaska (58 18' 7") - the 'omphalos', perhaps?

    ...
    Your method of deriving the longitude does, indeed, end up dead center in Juneau. However, my calculation of the latitude, based on your method, always puts me in the Juneau Ice Field, some distance to the North. That seems inexcusable for Kam's background and makes me wonder if there is something you're (we're) missing. I would love to see it fall right on the capitol building, but maybe there is some other reason. I really haven't had time to look much deeper into it except some calculations and some mapping software, but it seems to me that using celestial coordinates would never be as exact as I would expect Kam to want it. I mean, it just seems odd that he would be dead accurate on one and "inaccurate" on the other. Perhaps there is an offset or some formula that should be applied.

    I do not mean to discount your Alaska theory, in fact, I think it is the strongest one proposed, to date.

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    Default Continental?

    I think your theory is sound; however, I don't think Cam would pick Alaska for two reasons:

    1) Calling Alaska part of the Continental states is not universally accepted and would be ambiguous (so maybe it would be a good choice)

    2) Putting the prize in a location so remote from the majority of your target market would seem to alienate most people from going to search

    I still favor the Jefferson City model, but its hard to argue against Alaska

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