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    I am very happy for your help in looking deeper into this idea, thank you.
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    It's my pleasure, as your observations have allowed me to understand my own ideas better.

    So, we have some big observations supporting "the calendar" generally.

    *The observation that if the non-character items are removed from K2, we have exactly 365. While this may initially dismissed as possible coincidence, the fact that the line lengths for each of K2's rows exactly corresponds to the length of months in days counted from December as the last row in K2, and January as the "first", proves the significance without any further debate: K2 is a calendar, and the rows are months- that is the "secret context"

    * Within each calendar year, we have different kids of signposts. We have civil holidays, religious holidays, etc. We have 52 weeks of 7 days, or conversely, we have 12 months of 28,29,30,or31 days. There are few events that fall on what a surveyor would call "an observable event" astronomically. July 4th, Halloween, and Christmas are examples of holidays that fall on a specific day every year, and Memorial Day, Labor Day and Thanksgiving are all examples of holidays that can fall on a range of possible dates, so that they fall on a specific day of the week. If we are to make use of these we must know a specific year to which we want them to apply.

    *Getting back to surveying, there are four days that occur in a year, for which we have an absolute measurement: the equinoxes and the solstices. I can tell you that for surveying, the equinoxes are almost useless. The Sun's declination is changing so fast, and the math required to solve for local sunset and sunrise so tough, that the equinoxes best use for a primative surveyor is to just use the day to fix absolute East and West reference points. In DC, for example, the main axis of the Mall was sited and created so that it went East West. Hearkening back to the classical periods in Greece, Rome, and Egypt, An object was created (much later, but whatever) at the center of this sacred grove, and it functions like an astronomical clock. It is an obelisk.

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    Another thing that pops out of your analysis is the idea of interval. I have written recently about the "BERLIN" crib anomaly: that of it falling on characters 64-70. I have successfully (I think) argued that for all of Sanborn's statements to make sense taken at face value, that we do not yet know either the real direction or extent of K4.

    This made me think about another type of holiday: Interval holidays like Lent, Hannukah, and Ramadan. This type of holidays can fall on a wide range of dates, because they are timed from Lunar, not Solar events. For example, Easter is celebrated on the first Sunday after the first Full Moon on or after the Spring Equinox, and can therefore be any time between March 22 and April 25. There is no reality in which the holiday know as Easter can occur before the 22, and it's pretty rare at that: you have to have the full moon fall on a Friday equinox on a leap year in the gregorian system.

    That's when it hit me. If we take the calendar as a big circle of 360+ 5 degrees, and we make Nathans Hale's death September 22, the antipode, i.e. 182.5 degrees or "days" away is in fact March 22. I checked using a 1776 calendar.

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    So I'm beginning to see how the understanding of the calendar would guide our returning agent from the past, regardless of when she may reappear at Langley. While the rest of us are spinning our wheels, she knows that the mispelled item within each section, represents the counting point, which is also a specific date, from which she is to add and subtract the (somehow) known interval, thus exposing "where to look" for the secret key.

    In my K1 work, I saw through the cracks of this: I determined through hypothesis and experiment, that the characters 56-63, after the Q mispelling, represent a duress code keyword. I have put forward a hypothetical solution to that as "CINQUEFOIL". I also made some published commentary, poorly received, that as a logical exercise, Sanborn has stated quite clearly that K4 under the popular definition, is also 63 charcters "in from the end"; in reflection with K1. Lo and behold, when taking this view, Cinquefoil's position corresponds precisely with Berlin clock, and on the same days of two years in reflection about the central abscissa. So let's say that's a "macro" symmetry element.

    At a micro level, we are doing the same thing within sections. We find the mispelling, we employ the count, we extract the keyword or text. In K1, I knew to loook for "8" because in fact, it was the only "given" number thus far. And in K2, we theoretically are looking for "10" because by the same logic, Abscissa has 10 letters.

    We're missing something. Why 63? did I miss something? What told us that?

    It's 9 weeks.
    It's three 31 day months.
    Nothing I can really grab on to.

    I have two, really far out of this world ideas for how to get it past this logical obstacle. Finding keywords, without knowing "why" is a sure way to get lost in Kryptos. But I don't want to be a distraction.

    The first is how we would get the number 63 in the first place, know that it is an absolute value, and deduce its relevance to a "coordinate" time system; the next is how to unmask those intervals, using something that can also be indexed by these "four cornerstones" of the year.

    That's why I really like your posting of earlier, in which you depict a lower tableau vs CT with only numerical values. I think that jibes with "It's where they are, not what they are" clue of Sanborn's.

    Try as I might, I can't get any version of your two keywords to "do anything" for me yet, using my cribbing skills (appropriately, my only training is from the sculpture itself). I am absolutely confident that they are what we need to figure out.

    I'll be back soon. Just have to double check some numbers and angles.

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    OK. It is with a certain risk of credibility that I present the following hypothesis.

    Erexere, building on your hypothesis: the key is buried at the coordinates, which we have discovered means nathan hale, and the coordinates are the date of his death, symbolically burying the secret info.

    We have speculated that this point is one vertex of a triangle, that includes the Scroll and Duck pond.

    A triangulation!

    My dad was a civil engineer, and I often worked in the survey crews as a rodman. We did a whole bunch of triangulation. In plain english, you translate the language of time into the language of coordinate location. Your X and Y axes are called azimuth and declination. Points in space are defined by points in time. How far apart is something from something else? Go to a third place, make an isosceles triangle with it's long sides pointing to your two objects, determine the central angle, figure out one leg for a distance. That's it. No more secrets about any of the variables.

    Back to Kryptos:

    If you want to follow along, you'll want to get this link up:
    NOAA Solar Position Calculator

    I want you to enter the following info: Wash DC is your location. Make the day 12/22/14 and make the time 07:25:12 (24hr)

    OK, now look at the bottom box that has "equation of time", solar declination, etc.

    The solar azimuth, in this case 120.2 degrees, tells you how many degrees east of True North the sun will rise on that day. Although this is a scientific convention, from a practical surveying point of view, it is more convenient to measure the solar azimuth from a known landmark facing 90*E. For example, if I were sitting with Lincoln at the monument, I could set the Washington Monument as my 1st mark (due East, known distance), my position as the second, and as the sun rose over the Jeff, mark that shadow's angle with a protractor or a transit. Now I have the acute angle of a right triangle, and thus, not having to solve for the hypoteneuse, I know everything about it.

    On the soltice in DC, Sunrise is at 120 degrees ESE, and Sunset will be 240 degrees WSW. This is when I made the connection: The Compass in the morse strata a) looks like a mirrored washington monument, b) seems to point about 240 WSW of TRUE north, not the lodestone distorted value, and in fact, due to it's very nature as a timepiece, in the sense that a surveyor translates a time based system into a spatial one, the Hale clue suggests to me that the Compass may reinforce this idea, and may infact help us to go the other way, i.e. using degree based coordinates to map another system, like letters or numbers or really anything.

    Relative to the Sun, on the winter solstice, our latitude implied by the shadow of a stick is (39 degrees north (our location) plus 23.5 degrees). So 62.5 degrees North of the Ecliptic (just a term that describes the solar system's rotational plane's intersection with the Earth's rotational axis) on the Winter Solstice, and (39-23.5) 15.5 on the Summer.

    I'm going to round up to 63. I have a feeling that this is where the number comes from.
    Why?

    Because you know me and I check and double check things. I'm prepared to say, and defend the following: that Langley's location is uniquely sited. On December 22, and on no other day, ever, the shadow of the tip of the Washington Monument passes right over the coordinates in the Langley NHB courtyard in the early morning, a few minutes after sunrise, at approximately 07:34:00.

    My speculative leap is that the compass encodes this notion. After all, an Azimuth of sunrise of 120 implies sunset at 240.

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    TL;DR.

    K2 is a calendar.

    63 is an important number.

    Misspellings identify dates to count from.

    Just like my explanation above: from an east/west perspective, if the sun is the "lodestone" "the source" and therefore "zero"; DC's declination is +63 degrees at the winter solstice.

    So, by extension the unseen and hidden force, i.e.: "the codeword", starts at plus and minus 63 from our chosen origin. The "origin" of the sculpture, K1, is in fact 63 characters, reinforcing this idea as does your spreadsheet on the previous page.

    According to my simplistic cribbings, K4 counted from the last letter in the CT: K(car) for 34 characters has BERLINCLOCK spelled correctly with a skeleton key crib with letters 23-34 counted from the end providing the PT. It can only work backwards as a substitution, because of the double TT in NYPVTT.

    Unless you want to reverse the tableau or the tabula, it is a closed case, you can't make berlin clock on a left to right tableau, and get the "IN". "NI" yes, but there is NO solution otherwise for substitution. Turn it around and everything fits right into place and on the numbers that Sanborn gave? It's suspicious, no? It makes me think substitution will actually be a big part of K4.

    Counting from the other way, from the O in OBKR, it turns out that those positions are exactly those that Sanborn provided a direct crib for, but he gave the numeration in the other direction, reinforcing our misunderstanding, and in effect letting us lie to ourselves by not doing the work. My translation, "I'm using your definition of K4, because if I use mine, it will reveal that the text needs to be reordered on the tableau before any crib is going to help. And that's too much of a hint."

    Well, the calendar is how we can accomplish this, and better yet, without having to actually make new sheets etc. We can count between dates, and their matrix positions don't really matter anymore, just the intervals.

    I just discovered a hare-brained scheme that involves a potential masking method and another coincidence involving 63 and 126. I found it when I was trying to convert a replica of your spreadsheet, back into numbers. In this one, I deduce a relationship between 31, 26, and 63, and it led me to an amazing place. It's basic so I'll hold off on this for a minute or so, because I want to see whether my ramblings have actually helped. How'm I doin?

    And it is your thread, so, let me know when you're ready for another Georgio Tsoukalos moment. Cause it really was aliens y'know.

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    This is an edit post, cause I made some serious typos.

    [QUOTE=magicicada;562097]So...
    At a micro level, we are doing the same thing within sections. We find the mispelling, we employ the count, we extract the keyword or text. In K1, I knew to look for "10" because in fact, it was the only "given" number thus far: Palimpsest has 10 letters. And in K2, we theoretically are looking for "8" because by the same logic, Abscissa has 8 letters. So it's all making sense.

    We're missing something. Why 63? did I miss something? What told us that?

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    Don't it?

    I found out that the eye in the sky is in on this too. Wanna see?
    In this image it demonstrates what I am talking about as far as the shadow of an obelisk in DC on 12/22:


    This overhead shows the shadow cast by the Washington Monument the morning of 12/22



    The triangle above is a reference to the triangles I was describing in my survey work. AB is 7.35 mi, and so is AC. Angle B is 30*, QED.



    Here is a closer view of the same triangle at the Washington Monument image:



    Any Questions?

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    I like the "this is possible" attitude you have magicicada. I don't feel compelled by many conclusions, including my own. If there's a shape connection, I don't feel it has to do with any aerial type mapping. I'm stuck in the calendar idea for a good while as I get more comfortable with it. I liked the way you broke it down some options for the calendar. I also like the direction of something lunar based. Maybe the idea of intervals on the calendar might lead us somewhere.
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    The Morse and it's abundant E's provided us with the best evidence of a place for the keyword derivation. Morse could be described as "pinholes" and a "dashes". Could a pinhole be thought of as an absence of light, whereby a person can only see through a select point? A dash, could that be a subtle shading?

    hold that thought...

    Maybe it's possible to take some mapping of letters to a calendar and look for a pattern where those letters that fall on specific moons of a specific year create an alphabet.

    1922:
    Jan 13th Full, Jan 27th New
    Feb 11th Full, Feb 26th New
    March 13th Full, March 28th New
    April 11th Full, April 27th New
    May 11th Full, May 26th New
    June 9th Full, June 25th New
    July 8th Full, July 24th New
    August 7th Full, August 22nd New
    September 6th Full, Sept 21st New
    October 5th Full, October 20th New
    November 4th Full, Nov 18th New
    December 4th Full, Dec 18th New.
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