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    Default The K3 Solution

    There have been several different ways published on how to solve K3. Most of them are very difficult to follow. The Realm of Twelve website (http://realmoftwelve.fateback.com/sp...3solution.html) gives a nice visual explanation, but I think it is still too complicated. It is no wonder the solution using those methods took years.

    Here is the solution I prefer. There are hints to this method embedded within.

    Step 1: Group the K3 letters into equal length rows of 24 letter each

    Code:
    ENDYAHROHNLSRHEOCPTEOIBI
    DYSHNAIACHTNREYULDSLLSLL
    NOHSNOSMRWXMNETPRNGATIHN
    RARPESLNNELEBLPIIACAEWMT
    WNDITEENRAHCTENEUDRETNHA
    EOETFOLSEDTIWENHAEIOYTEY
    QHEENCTAYCREIFTBRSPAMHHE
    WENATAMATEGYEERLBTEEFOAS
    FIOTUETUAEOTOARMAEERTNRT
    IBSEDDNIAAHTTMSTEWPIEROA
    GRIEWFEBAECTDDHILCEIHSIT
    EGOEAOSDDRYDLORITRKLMLEH
    AGTDHARDPNEOHMGFMFEUHEEC
    DMRIPFEIMEHNLSSTTRTVDOHW
    Step 2: Rotate the block 90 degrees clockwise:

    Code:
    DAEGIFWQEWRNDE
    MGGRBIEHONAOYN
    RTOISONEEDRHSD
    IDEEETAETIPSHY
    PHAWDUTNFTENNA
    FAOFDEACOESOAH
    ERSENTMTLELSIR
    IDDBIUAASNNMAO
    MPDAAATYERNRCH
    ENREAEECDAEWHN
    HEYCHOGRTHLXTL
    NODTTTYEICEMNS
    LHLDTOEIWTBNRR
    SMODMAEFEELEEH
    SGRHSRRTNNPTYE
    TFIITMLBHEIPUO
    TMTLEABRAUIRLC
    RFRCWETSEDANDP
    TEKEPEEPIRCGST
    VULIIREAOEAALE
    DHMHETFMYTETLO
    OELSRNOHTNWISI
    HEEIORAHEHMHLB
    WCHTATSEYATNLI
    Step 3: Regroup into rows of 8 letters each

    Code:
    DAEGIFWQ
    EWRNDEMG
    GRBIEHON
    AOYNRTOI
    SONEEDRH
    SDIDEEET
    AETIPSHY
    PHAWDUTN
    FTENNAFA
    OFDEACOE
    SOAHERSE
    NTMTLELS
    IRIDDBIU
    AASNNMAO
    MPDAAATY
    ERNRCHEN
    REAEECDA
    EWHNHEYC
    HOGRTHLX
    TLNODTTT
    YEICEMNS
    LHLDTOEI
    WTBNRRSM
    ODMAEFEE
    LEEHSGRH
    SRRTNNPT
    YETFIITM
    LBHEIPUO
    TMTLEABR
    AUIRLCRF
    RCWETSED
    ANDPTEKE
    PEEPIRCG
    STVULIIR
    EAOEAALE
    DHMHETFM
    YTETLOOE
    LSRNOHTN
    WISIHEEI
    ORAHEHMH
    LBWCHTAT
    SEYATNLI
    Step 4: Rotate again and read the plaintext

    Code:
    SLOWLYDESPARATLYSLOWLYTHEREMAINSOFPASSAGED
    EBRISTHATENCUMBEREDTHELOWERPARTOFTHEDOORWA
    YWASREMOVEDWITHTREMBLINGHANDSIMADEATINYBRE
    ACHINTHEUPPERLEFTHANDCORNERANDTHENWIDENING
    THEHOLEALITTLEIINSERTEDTHECANDLEANDPEEREDI
    NTHEHOTAIRESCAPINGFROMTHECHAMBERCAUSEDTHEF
    LAMETOFLICKERBUTPRESENTLYDETAILSOFTHEROOMW
    ITHINEMERGEDFROMTHEMISTXCANYOUSEEANYTHINGQ
    I don't think you will find this solution anywhere, but I think it is very elegant.

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    Wow. Rusty, that is much easier than the other solves that I've seen. Congrats!
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    Rusty, that's fantastic, you should post this on the kryptos group and see what they say

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    I did not mean to imply I invented this solve. I did not. The Kryptos group is where I got it.

    I do think it may be the intended solution. Really hard to say, but figuring out the 'correct' way to solve these things may give insight into how to solve K4.

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    The most elegant solution possible would be the intended solution imo - a very smart guy who devised them.

    This is my fav solve of all of them--the rotation and breaking is sweet.

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    Very sweet. I have an audio interview from Sanborn stashed away somewhere. If I remember correctly, he said something like "I like geometrical system of encryption". I hope he was not just talking about K3. I hope K4 has some geometrical aspect as well.

    Wilhouse, you mentioned you studied archeaology. There has been discussion in the Kryptos community about the spelling errors and the paraphrasing Sanborn introduced into Howard Carter's quote. They think the specific differences may be clues. Sanborn was also a student of archeaology at Oxford. And Oxford is where Howard Carter's diaries are kept. Do you, or anyone else, know how to get information about what Carter's diary says precisely? (That might lead to some twollars, come to think of it).

    -Rusty

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    You can check out these transcriptions:

    October 28 to December 31, 1922
    January 1 to May 31, 1923
    WHRECVBBLSMCEYVIHTEOIZROMR

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    Quote Originally Posted by rdshackleford View Post

    I do think it may be the intended solution. Really hard to say, but figuring out the 'correct' way to solve these things may give insight into how to solve K4.

    -Rusty
    Hi Rusty and everyone I'm playing catch up so please bear with me. I'm beginning to see why people have been intrigued by this for so long...

    My first thoughts: It's that palimpsest diagram - the one you posted. Cut the page in half and rotate it 90 degrees. Abscissa is a cut. How do you rotate text 90 degrees without having it upside down and obvious? You don't. You just move the letters into the rotated position. Then do it again. How brilliant.

    So the clue "palimpsest" is important in multiple ways. A key word for a solve, and a method of solving. It looks like "abscissa" is as well. I understand that there are number of smaller clues to point to the word "palimpsest" (not a word I knew before Kryptos) but I don't recall reading anything on how they identified "abscissa". I've still got a lot of reading to do.

    My first thoughts of the artist: He's an artist. This is something he visualized and then manipulated manually on paper. To the outsider it would appear as abstract, but it is very ordered. He didn't make mistakes (well except for an S apparently). Is there a list of missing/extra/wrong letters anywhere? I remember the Q/L in iqlusion, a U/O in undergruund, and A/E in desparately. extra L. Are there others?

    And I know I'm tired because there was a post about something the artist said was important and I can't remember what it was. I need a good night's sleep. No more tweleve until the weekend. Hope everyone has a great one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kophykupp View Post
    My first thoughts: It's that palimpsest diagram - the one you posted. Cut the page in half and rotate it 90 degrees. Abscissa is a cut. How do you rotate text 90 degrees without having it upside down and obvious? You don't. You just move the letters into the rotated position. Then do it again. How brilliant.

    So the clue "palimpsest" is important in multiple ways. A key word for a solve, and a method of solving. It looks like "abscissa" is as well. I understand that there are number of smaller clues to point to the word "palimpsest" (not a word I knew before Kryptos) but I don't recall reading anything on how they identified "abscissa". I've still got a lot of reading to do.
    Very nice ideas. I don't think there has been much success yet understanding the 'abscissa' keyword. Your suggestion that both K1 and K2 keywords lead to the K3 solution is very plausible.

    I strongly believe that there was an intended order for solving Kryptos. And knowing that order may shed some light on where to go for K4. Now, what actually happened is that K1/2/3 were solved by modern crypto attacks. They did not used the system of clues that we armchair treasure hunters love so dearly. This is also why I think we at Tweleve have a better shot at K4 than the Yahoo Kryptos group.

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    Rusty,

    I can not format this the way you did but I want you to try it again but in 2 steps. If you can edit this or re-post ir with the scrollbars that would be great.

    1. Rotate 90 the other way - CCW. This is the "twist". It is also how I believe the extra L is used. The L is there to show that the right hand side is 12 o'clock - so we rotate it ccw to move the text from 3 o'clock to 12 o'clock. This gives the matrix 14 x 24. It also plays into the palmipsest theme.

    ILNTAYESTATHCW
    BLHMHEHAROIEEH
    ISIWNTHONRSLEO
    OLTETYMFTEHMHD
    ELAAEOAERIILUV
    TSGCRIPEEPEKET
    PDNADESTEWCRFR
    CLRIUARBAELTMT
    OUPIEHBLMTIIFT
    EYTPNNTRRSHRGS
    HEELEEFEAMDOMS
    RRNBTWIEOTDLHL
    SNMECIEYTTTDON
    LTXLHTRGOHCYEH
    NHWEADCEEAERNE
    HCRNREYTAAADPM
    OAMNNSAAUIBDDI
    RISLELTMTNESRE
    HAOSEOCAEDFOAF
    ANNETFNTUDWAHP
    YHSPITEATEEEDI
    DSHRDEENOSIOTR
    NYOANOHEIBRGGM
    EDNRWEQWFIGEAD

    2. Then I divided the lines into groups of 8 letters starting from the top. You can now immediately read the Carter text going down the eighth column and working your way right to left going down each column.

    ILNTAYES
    TATHCWBL
    HMHEHARO
    IEEHISIW
    NTHONRSL
    EOOLTETY
    MFTEHMHD
    ELAAEOAE
    RIILUVTS
    GCRIPEEP
    EKETPDNA
    DESTEWCR
    FRCLRIUA
    RBAELTMT
    OUPIEHBL
    MTIIFTEY
    TPNNTRRS
    HRGSHEEL
    EEFEAMDO
    MSRRNBTW
    IEOTDLHL
    SNMECIEY
    TTTDONLT
    XLHTRGOH
    CYEHNHWE
    ADCEEAER
    NEHCRNRE
    YTAAADPM
    OAMNNSAA
    UIBDDIRI
    SLELTMTN
    ESREHAOS
    EOCAEDFO
    AFANNETF
    NTUDWAHP
    YHSPITEA
    TEEEDIDS
    HRDEENOS
    IOTRNYOA
    NOHEIBRG
    GMEDNRWE
    QWFIGEAD


    Step 1 and a half was to divide the 14 x 24 into groups of 7 letters - not 8. With seven I can see SLOWLY on a diagonal. If you count the letters between each letters you get 8. So to adjust the word slowly to be all next to each other you pick a group of 8 to place the word SLOWLY on the far upper right corner going down. By finding this word in this grouping the rest of the Carter message just falls into place. Again a theme of 8.


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