# Thread: The K3 Solution

1. ## The K3 Solution

There have been several different ways published on how to solve K3. Most of them are very difficult to follow. The Realm of Twelve website (http://realmoftwelve.fateback.com/sp...3solution.html) gives a nice visual explanation, but I think it is still too complicated. It is no wonder the solution using those methods took years.

Here is the solution I prefer. There are hints to this method embedded within.

Step 1: Group the K3 letters into equal length rows of 24 letter each

Code:
```ENDYAHROHNLSRHEOCPTEOIBI
DYSHNAIACHTNREYULDSLLSLL
NOHSNOSMRWXMNETPRNGATIHN
RARPESLNNELEBLPIIACAEWMT
WNDITEENRAHCTENEUDRETNHA
EOETFOLSEDTIWENHAEIOYTEY
QHEENCTAYCREIFTBRSPAMHHE
WENATAMATEGYEERLBTEEFOAS
FIOTUETUAEOTOARMAEERTNRT
IBSEDDNIAAHTTMSTEWPIEROA
GRIEWFEBAECTDDHILCEIHSIT
EGOEAOSDDRYDLORITRKLMLEH
AGTDHARDPNEOHMGFMFEUHEEC
DMRIPFEIMEHNLSSTTRTVDOHW```
Step 2: Rotate the block 90 degrees clockwise:

Code:
```DAEGIFWQEWRNDE
MGGRBIEHONAOYN
RTOISONEEDRHSD
IDEEETAETIPSHY
PHAWDUTNFTENNA
FAOFDEACOESOAH
ERSENTMTLELSIR
IDDBIUAASNNMAO
MPDAAATYERNRCH
ENREAEECDAEWHN
HEYCHOGRTHLXTL
NODTTTYEICEMNS
LHLDTOEIWTBNRR
SMODMAEFEELEEH
SGRHSRRTNNPTYE
TFIITMLBHEIPUO
TMTLEABRAUIRLC
RFRCWETSEDANDP
TEKEPEEPIRCGST
VULIIREAOEAALE
DHMHETFMYTETLO
OELSRNOHTNWISI
HEEIORAHEHMHLB
WCHTATSEYATNLI```
Step 3: Regroup into rows of 8 letters each

Code:
```DAEGIFWQ
EWRNDEMG
GRBIEHON
AOYNRTOI
SONEEDRH
SDIDEEET
AETIPSHY
PHAWDUTN
FTENNAFA
OFDEACOE
SOAHERSE
NTMTLELS
IRIDDBIU
AASNNMAO
MPDAAATY
ERNRCHEN
REAEECDA
EWHNHEYC
HOGRTHLX
TLNODTTT
YEICEMNS
LHLDTOEI
WTBNRRSM
ODMAEFEE
LEEHSGRH
SRRTNNPT
YETFIITM
LBHEIPUO
TMTLEABR
AUIRLCRF
RCWETSED
ANDPTEKE
PEEPIRCG
STVULIIR
EAOEAALE
DHMHETFM
YTETLOOE
LSRNOHTN
WISIHEEI
ORAHEHMH
LBWCHTAT
SEYATNLI```
Step 4: Rotate again and read the plaintext

Code:
```SLOWLYDESPARATLYSLOWLYTHEREMAINSOFPASSAGED
EBRISTHATENCUMBEREDTHELOWERPARTOFTHEDOORWA
ACHINTHEUPPERLEFTHANDCORNERANDTHENWIDENING
THEHOLEALITTLEIINSERTEDTHECANDLEANDPEEREDI
NTHEHOTAIRESCAPINGFROMTHECHAMBERCAUSEDTHEF
LAMETOFLICKERBUTPRESENTLYDETAILSOFTHEROOMW
ITHINEMERGEDFROMTHEMISTXCANYOUSEEANYTHINGQ```
I don't think you will find this solution anywhere, but I think it is very elegant.

-Rusty

2. Wow. Rusty, that is much easier than the other solves that I've seen. Congrats!

3. Rusty, that's fantastic, you should post this on the kryptos group and see what they say

wilhouse

4. I did not mean to imply I invented this solve. I did not. The Kryptos group is where I got it.

I do think it may be the intended solution. Really hard to say, but figuring out the 'correct' way to solve these things may give insight into how to solve K4.

-Rusty

5. The most elegant solution possible would be the intended solution imo - a very smart guy who devised them.

This is my fav solve of all of them--the rotation and breaking is sweet.

6. Very sweet. I have an audio interview from Sanborn stashed away somewhere. If I remember correctly, he said something like "I like geometrical system of encryption". I hope he was not just talking about K3. I hope K4 has some geometrical aspect as well.

Wilhouse, you mentioned you studied archeaology. There has been discussion in the Kryptos community about the spelling errors and the paraphrasing Sanborn introduced into Howard Carter's quote. They think the specific differences may be clues. Sanborn was also a student of archeaology at Oxford. And Oxford is where Howard Carter's diaries are kept. Do you, or anyone else, know how to get information about what Carter's diary says precisely? (That might lead to some twollars, come to think of it).

-Rusty

7. You can check out these transcriptions:

October 28 to December 31, 1922
January 1 to May 31, 1923

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Originally Posted by rdshackleford

I do think it may be the intended solution. Really hard to say, but figuring out the 'correct' way to solve these things may give insight into how to solve K4.

-Rusty
Hi Rusty and everyone I'm playing catch up so please bear with me. I'm beginning to see why people have been intrigued by this for so long...

My first thoughts: It's that palimpsest diagram - the one you posted. Cut the page in half and rotate it 90 degrees. Abscissa is a cut. How do you rotate text 90 degrees without having it upside down and obvious? You don't. You just move the letters into the rotated position. Then do it again. How brilliant.

So the clue "palimpsest" is important in multiple ways. A key word for a solve, and a method of solving. It looks like "abscissa" is as well. I understand that there are number of smaller clues to point to the word "palimpsest" (not a word I knew before Kryptos) but I don't recall reading anything on how they identified "abscissa". I've still got a lot of reading to do.

My first thoughts of the artist: He's an artist. This is something he visualized and then manipulated manually on paper. To the outsider it would appear as abstract, but it is very ordered. He didn't make mistakes (well except for an S apparently). Is there a list of missing/extra/wrong letters anywhere? I remember the Q/L in iqlusion, a U/O in undergruund, and A/E in desparately. extra L. Are there others?

And I know I'm tired because there was a post about something the artist said was important and I can't remember what it was. I need a good night's sleep. No more tweleve until the weekend. Hope everyone has a great one.

9. Originally Posted by kophykupp
My first thoughts: It's that palimpsest diagram - the one you posted. Cut the page in half and rotate it 90 degrees. Abscissa is a cut. How do you rotate text 90 degrees without having it upside down and obvious? You don't. You just move the letters into the rotated position. Then do it again. How brilliant.

So the clue "palimpsest" is important in multiple ways. A key word for a solve, and a method of solving. It looks like "abscissa" is as well. I understand that there are number of smaller clues to point to the word "palimpsest" (not a word I knew before Kryptos) but I don't recall reading anything on how they identified "abscissa". I've still got a lot of reading to do.
Very nice ideas. I don't think there has been much success yet understanding the 'abscissa' keyword. Your suggestion that both K1 and K2 keywords lead to the K3 solution is very plausible.

I strongly believe that there was an intended order for solving Kryptos. And knowing that order may shed some light on where to go for K4. Now, what actually happened is that K1/2/3 were solved by modern crypto attacks. They did not used the system of clues that we armchair treasure hunters love so dearly. This is also why I think we at Tweleve have a better shot at K4 than the Yahoo Kryptos group.

-Rusty

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Rusty,

I can not format this the way you did but I want you to try it again but in 2 steps. If you can edit this or re-post ir with the scrollbars that would be great.

1. Rotate 90 the other way - CCW. This is the "twist". It is also how I believe the extra L is used. The L is there to show that the right hand side is 12 o'clock - so we rotate it ccw to move the text from 3 o'clock to 12 o'clock. This gives the matrix 14 x 24. It also plays into the palmipsest theme.

ILNTAYESTATHCW
BLHMHEHAROIEEH
ISIWNTHONRSLEO
OLTETYMFTEHMHD
ELAAEOAERIILUV
TSGCRIPEEPEKET
CLRIUARBAELTMT
OUPIEHBLMTIIFT
EYTPNNTRRSHRGS
HEELEEFEAMDOMS
RRNBTWIEOTDLHL
SNMECIEYTTTDON
LTXLHTRGOHCYEH
OAMNNSAAUIBDDI
RISLELTMTNESRE
HAOSEOCAEDFOAF
ANNETFNTUDWAHP
YHSPITEATEEEDI
DSHRDEENOSIOTR
NYOANOHEIBRGGM

2. Then I divided the lines into groups of 8 letters starting from the top. You can now immediately read the Carter text going down the eighth column and working your way right to left going down each column.

ILNTAYES
TATHCWBL
HMHEHARO
IEEHISIW
NTHONRSL
EOOLTETY
MFTEHMHD
ELAAEOAE
RIILUVTS
GCRIPEEP
EKETPDNA
DESTEWCR
FRCLRIUA
RBAELTMT
OUPIEHBL
MTIIFTEY
TPNNTRRS
HRGSHEEL
EEFEAMDO
MSRRNBTW
IEOTDLHL
SNMECIEY
TTTDONLT
XLHTRGOH
CYEHNHWE
NEHCRNRE
OAMNNSAA
UIBDDIRI
SLELTMTN
ESREHAOS
EOCAEDFO
AFANNETF
NTUDWAHP
YHSPITEA
TEEEDIDS
HRDEENOS
IOTRNYOA
NOHEIBRG
GMEDNRWE

Step 1 and a half was to divide the 14 x 24 into groups of 7 letters - not 8. With seven I can see SLOWLY on a diagonal. If you count the letters between each letters you get 8. So to adjust the word slowly to be all next to each other you pick a group of 8 to place the word SLOWLY on the far upper right corner going down. By finding this word in this grouping the rest of the Carter message just falls into place. Again a theme of 8.

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