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    Default VT

    John,

    Vermont is VT which is 5T which is fifty. To be dim is to have an IQ 50 - US eye on or the IQLUSION.

    When the Rolling Stones were writing the Sympathy for the Devil they had to change the lyrics because a second Kennedy was shot. I believe when Kryptos was planned out they had a set of Fifty and had to put into place the next one, #51 WFB.

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    Default Curious George...but not too curious

    Interesting too that Sanborn's Kryptos MAP has the Reflecting Pool in the center of the Triangle and Kryptos has a WHIRLPOOL in the center front. Perhaps Sanborn's MAELSTROM (hint: JJ's "Miles Straum") symbolizes THE Agency's role in confronting dangerous waters. But looking closer we see the Reflecting Pool is bordered by CONSTITUTION AVE and INDEPENDENCE AVE. Perhaps Sanborn was sending US a message that without the Constitution as its foundation and Independence from politics, the future of the CIA might has well sink in the Reflecting Pool.




    While many of US are not aware the CIA stationed "buildings" around the Reflecting Pool between the Lincoln Memorial and the Washington Monument next to Constitution Ave, George Washington and Honest Abe must have been rolling in their graves as they watched George W. and George T. subvert the Constitution and drown the CIA again in a political cesspool. (hello, Watergate)


    So when you think about Kryptos, think about these "patriots" who have brought dishonor to THE Agency and are a disgrace to the memories of true heroes who were not afraid to serve in the military, such as Wild Bill Donovan and the men and women of the CIA who died defending the Constitution. As Sanborn would tell you, if it wasn't for the Constitution, there would not be a reason for Antipodes.


    Perhaps Sanborn wanted US to remember the words of another George.... Santayana:

    'Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.'
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    Default KRYPTOS "Hidden" Message

    In contrast to the Washington Monument (an obelisk, the Egyptian solar symbol), the CIA's Wall of Honor, like the "Sun Child" King Tut's tomb, is a "hidden" monument. KRYPTOS letters D-Y-A-H-R- O stand apart and could symbolize those who "die a hero" in the CIA remain "hidden."

    Using K3 to solve K4:

    "Desparatly" could be interpreted as "disparately", which means to do something step-by-step, and perhaps Sec. 3 instructions must be used to decrypt Sec. 4 step-by-step. Speaking of steps:

    --there are 897 steps in the Washington Monument,

    --there are 870 characters in main portion of KRYPTOS,

    --there are 27 extra "e" characters in the KRYPTOS Morse code.

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    Default Yahoo! The Kryptos-Group Goddess Awakes

    Elonka is All-a-Twitter:

    According to Elonka on Twitter, "she is reviewing a blog (MEEEEE!!!) that is a classic example of the kind of emails she routinely gets about Kryptos: http://11oclocknews.typepad...11:57 AM Jul 9th "

    hopefully, The Big E will include her group's "solution" to K4.

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    Default Dan Brown's LOST Symbol in Kryptos

    Dan Brown has made cryptic comments about Kryptos before and James Sanborn has not hidden his feelings about them. In a Wired Magazine article on the enigmatic Kryptos sculpture at CIA HQ in Langley, Virginia, Sanborn was none too happy about the link being made to Dan Brown's novels:
    Though Sanborn's usual practice is to stay in the background, every so often he feels obliged to comment. In 2005, he refuted author Dan Brown's claim that the "WW" in the plaintext of K3 could be inverted to "MM," implying Mary Magdalene. Brown included pieces of Kryptos on the book jacket of "The Da Vinci Code" and has hinted that his next novel will draw on the CIA sculpture, a prospect that deeply annoys Sanborn.
    Sanborn should be annoyed because it appears in his upcoming book, "THE LOST SYMBOL", Dan may have corrupted the coordinates that Sanborn encoded in the Kryptos K2 text to fit his latest fiction.

    ITEM: On the backcover of the U.S. version of the "The Da Vinci Code" near the Crais quote, are the coordinates 37 57' 6.5" N 77 8' 44" W on one side. These are a clue to the coordinates in the deciphered text of K2 of Kryptos, which are 38 57' 6.5" N 77 8' 44" W.

    When Dan Brown was asked, he replied, "This discrepancy is intentional."

    Hmmmm, I Wonder Why?

    Let US analyze the K4 text and the K2 coordinates - 38 57 6.5 77 8 44 - to find out:

    OBKR
    UOSXOGHULBSOLIFBBWFLRVQQPRNGKSSO
    TWTQSJQSSEKZZWATJKLUDIAWINFBNYP
    VTTMZFPKWGDKZXTJCDIGKUHUAUEKCAR

    Plotting the 38th, 57th, 77th, 8th, and 44th letters of K4 and the character at 6.5 OPQRS:6.5TUVWX - "S" (source: Monet) results in:

    T38 I57 S6.5 D77 O8 S44 - "T IS DOS"

    "T IS YOUR POSITION - E" from the Kryptos Morse Code strata message, T= DOS, then "DOS is your position E."

    Note: DOS is the abbreviation for the Department of State.
    Read: Dept of State is your position at E.

    Simple Past: The CIA/OSS "Q" Building - "DOS is your position, next to E (Street)"

    The K2 coordinates - 38 57 6.5 77 8 44 - point to the location of the CIA "Q" building in the past.

    But the coordinate "38" changed by Dan to "37" would change the K4 text to W37 I57 S6.5 D77 O8 S44"W" is D. O. S.

    Does the Washington Monument Point in Direction Of Star?

    It is suggested the coordinate change pertains to the image above -- "W" aka the Washington Monument - refers to the LOST SYMBOL plot that we are all from another star system -- and the Washington Monument points in the direction of that star system on September 15, which just happens to be the release date of Dan's book.

    And, if this is the case, Sanborn, of course, may have something to say about Dan's latest fiction about Kryptos. But as Dan has proved in the "Da Vinci Code," he never lets the facts get in the way of His-story. After all, it "could" be true.
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    Default Kryptos cryptic Morse Code messages

    Three Kryptos cryptic messages have been deciphered so far. S + S say the elusive K4 is undecipherable by data encryption detection - and when ethe data/words are discovered, the meaning would be obscure and just the first step to solve the Kryptos enigma. So, K4s plaintext itself is probably not standard English (e.g. I C U, U C Me?) and may require a second level of cryptanalysis. Misspellings and other anomalies in previous sections may help. Sanborn suggested there were other clues/directions to find X present in other parts of the installation, such as the Morse code in the granite: For example:

    LUCID EEE MEMORY E = U C IDL 3 Memory (Lincoln, Washington, Jefferson) 1

    E DIGITAL EEE INTERPRETATU = 1 Tall Digit Interpret at 3 U (Wash. Monument)
    EE SHADOW EE FORCES EEEEE =Washington Monument Forces Shadow - X Abscissa 2-2-5 = 225 degrees

    SOS = JPJ
    T IS YOUR POSITION
    E = "DOS" is your position E (Street)
    EE VIRTUALLY E EEEEEE INVISIBLE = "E" at "E" street is "hidden"
    1 + 6 = 16th letter = P (Potomac Annex is location of "Q" building)


    RQ = Are "Q" Building

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    Default Kryptos - Qryptos - Cryptos

    JJ Abrams says everything is mystery and KRYPTOS is one of the biggest. Even its name is a mystery.

    Why did James Sanborn name his enigmatic CIA sculpture with a "K" and not a "C" as a reference to the C-I-A?

    Perhaps it goes back to the beginning, and the purpose of the sculpture was to recognize THE Agency's "simple past" (K1- Palimpsest ). If so, the "K" may refer to the CIA's beginnings - its KINDERGARTEN - the "Q" building, the "E" shaped building on 23rd + E Street on the DOS (Department of State) property.

    If so, Sanborn should have named it "QRYPTOS." (interesting too that "K" is equally spaced between the "E" and the "Q")

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    Default Kryptos Keywords: PS: It's as simple as A-B-C + F-E-D

    K1 and K2 = PS: It's as simple as A-B-C
    K3 -0362514 (c-f-b-e-a-d)

    So how do we find the location in K4? Here's some cryptic clues:

    According to Ed Scheidt:'
    Part 4 is designed to be solved in a straightforward manner with pencil and paper, and that he did things to "disguise the English" in part 4, so that it couldn't be solved in the frequency analysis ways that were used for parts 1-3. The idea of encoding a message is not only to encode the externals of a message (the English language), but the message itself. Once it is readable, it may have other encoding that's involved in it. That's something that would show up in secret messages.

    And if K4 is a Map and a History of the CIA's Simple past, perhaps Abbreviations and Symbols provide the Key:

    Perhaps the "end" of K3 is a clue to find X hidden in K4:

    X CAN YOU SEE ANYTHING -- "Q" ?

    Perhaps we are looking for "Q", and if the other clues are found in letters, then "P.S. It's a simple as A-B-C."

    The cryptic sculpture is divided into four messages; the first three have been solved.

    K1 and K2 used polyalphabetic substitution and K3 using transposition.

    In addition, there are several cryptic misspellings:

    Desparatly -- correct spelling is "desperately." Sanborn transposed an A for the E between letters P- R. (Read: A letter between "P" and "R" is "Q". Perhaps "Q" = "E"

    Undergruund- correct spelling is "underground." Viewed a "Double U-U in ground" (Read: "W" in "ground")

    IQLUSION -- correct spelling is "illusion." The "Q" is between "I- L" "J-K" in center (Read: J Kennedy Center)
    Combining the various clues may provide directions to find the "hidden" location of "Q" aka "E."

    K1

    PALIMPSEST keyword :
    "BETWEEN SUBTLE SHADING AND THE ABSENCE OF LIGHT LIES THE NUANCE OF IQLUSION"

    Anagram of "Palimpsest" is SIMPLE PAST.

    Read: Simple Past (of the CIA) is "Q" - lies next to JK (Center)

    K2 - keyword ABSCISSA: IT WAS TOTALLY INVISIBLE HOWS THAT POSSIBLE ? THEY USED THE EARTHS MAGNETIC FIELD X THE INFORMATION WAS GATHERED AND TRANSMITTED UNDERGRUUND TO AN UNKNOWN LOCATION X DOES LANGLEY KNOW ABOUT THIS ? THEY SHOULD ITS BURIED OUT THERE SOMEWHERE X WHO KNOWS THE EXACT LOCATION ? ONLY WW THIS WAS HIS LAST MESSAGE X THIRTY EIGHT DEGREES FIFTY SEVEN MINUTES SIX POINT FIVE SECONDS NORTH SEVENTY SEVEN DEGREES EIGHT MINUTES FORTY FOUR SECONDS WEST X LAYER TWO

    Read: X Abscissa "W" in ground


    K3

    Key 0362514: Corresponding letters of alphabet are C-F B-E-A-D

    (A-B-C F-E-D)

    SLOWLY DESPARATLY SLOWLY THE REMAINS OF PASSAGE DEBRIS THAT ENCUMBERED THE LOWER PART OF THE DOORWAY WAS REMOVED WITH TREMBLING HANDS I MADE A TINY BREACH IN THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER AND THEN WIDENING THE HOLE A LITTLE I INSERTED THE CANDLE AND PEERED IN THE HOT AIR ESCAPING FROM THE CHAMBER CAUSED THE FLAME TO FLICKER BUT PRESENTLY DETAILS OF THE ROOM WITHIN EMERGED FROM THE MIST X CAN YOU SEE ANYTHING "Q" ?

    (NB: Ref: Howard Carter when he saw in King Tut's tomb strange animals, statues, and gold - everywhere the glint of gold. King Tut's name refers to "Child of the Sun." An obelisk, (the Big W) Washington Monument, is a solar symbol.)

    USE FED ABC to FIND "Q" -"E"

    Solution to K4

    FIND FED Abbreviations (opposite)


    OBKR
    UOXOGHULBSOLIFBBWFLRVQQPRNGKSSO
    TWTQSJQSSEKZZWATJKLUDIAWINFBNYP
    VTTMZFPKWGDKZXTJCDIGKUHUAUEKCAR

    X-AMPLE:

    RK OB
    OSS KGN
    UOXO UHG
    RA KC
    Vt MT

    For X-ample: Use earth's magnetic field (read: Compass Rose - layer two) and follow X Abscissa 225 degrees, view the "W" in ground, which leads to the (QJsQ) John Jones statue- "Father of the Navy," which leads to Navy Hill - "T - DOS (Department of State) is your position." The "E" shaped building, "Q" was the original building of the OSS-CIA (simple past) on 23rd + E Street - the Potomac Annex of the State Department. "Q" is next to the J. Kennedy Center.

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