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    Default Jim Sanborn gives the NYT 6 letters in K4

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    Very very interesting. I see that he is getting absolutely tired of all the bothering. Interesting that he thought it would be solved quicker than this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andersonwang View Post
    Be careful, here. There may not be a 1-to-1 correspondence between characters 64-69 in the ciphertext and 64-69 in the plaintext. (Consider if such a clue had been given for K3.) --Beeblebrox

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    Quote Originally Posted by Domino View Post
    Very very interesting. I see that he is getting absolutely tired of all the bothering. Interesting that he thought it would be solved quicker than this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rdshackleford View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Domino View Post
    Very very interesting. I see that he is getting absolutely tired of all the bothering. Interesting that he thought it would be solved quicker than this.
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    It is helpful to know "berlin" fits in the 64-69 positions but I wish there was a clear indication that the instances of nypvtt in the encrypted message did directly translate into Berlin. Obviously that would give more insite. But it will still help either way at least there is something to reference

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beeblebrox View Post
    Be careful, here. There may not be a 1-to-1 correspondence between characters 64-69 in the ciphertext and 64-69 in the plaintext. (Consider if such a clue had been given for K3.)
    A brief follow-up to my comment from last year. In a recent dinner in D.C., Jim Sanborn confirmed that there *is* a 1-to-1 correspondence between NYPVTT and BERLIN. Assuming he isn't being deliberately misleading, this simple remark eliminates much of the trade space for possible cipher types. For instance, K4 cannot be simply a combination of transposition (K3) and polyalphabetic substitution (K1 and K2). Many favor a digraphic system (e.g. Bifid or Four Square), but the problem with these is that they have been tried without success, not to mention that Jim/Ed made a point of saying that K4 uses a system "unknown to anyone on the planet" (or some words to that effect). So if Bifid or Four Square was used, it would have to be a unique variant. --Beeblebrox

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    I'm slowing down so I can see what's going on with this puzzle.

    It's nice to know that hint about BERLIN is just the city as is.

    So far I have the overall sense that the progression is as follows,
    K3 (solve first, learn it's contents are relating to events that took place on 11/26/1922, begin considering the meaning of the offset letters DYAHR)
    K2 (solve second, likely by means of cracking, note it has the form of a loose assortment of phrases, does it represent the events of the Kryptos installation?)
    K1 (solve third, also a crack, somewhat slower since it's a shorter cipher text than K3 and has a longer keyword)

    K1 is a very curious phrase. My opinion is that the ILLUSION it is referencing is to do with something visual, yet something that involves having to acertain without the use of vision, like an object that must simply be found in the dark. If you have freedom of mobility then you would be able to feel around for it. If it was an auditory type of experience such as a dripping water tap, then your ears could assist. If its underground, like the subtle changes of the earths core affecting the location of magnetic north, we can't see it or physically go to that point, but we know it's there by using a compass. It's cool to think about how useful those little tools are. We use declination to adjust for correction. I find the keyword even more curious since it seems to fall into place with a connection to King Tut's tomb and the ciphertext DYAHR where the D and the H may be intented as a hint to the author of Palimpsest (1926) who arrived in Cairo on Feb.16, 1923, the day when Carter set eyes on King Tut's sarcophagus for the first time, 83 days after he first peeked through the initial opening with Lord Carnaveron standing behind him asking "Can you see anything?".

    Perhaps these dates offer some special insight in what Sanborn does with his code. K3 gives us 11/26/1922 and K1 gives us 2/16/1923.

    Perhaps a closer look at the works of H.D. may reveal something. Hesperia is a work I'd like to have a closer look at.
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    IAMT
    HEMONARCHOFTHESEAITOLDYOUNOTTOB
    EPREMATUREINMYCOMMUNIQUETOBERLI
    NARCHAEOLOGYISNOTANEXACTSCIENCE

    This is just a wild guess based on having watched the Raiders of the Lost Ark and drinking gin. It omits the line "Bad dates," in reference to the poisoned bowl of fruit. Then the scene cuts to Indiana Jones sneaking past the Nazi camp to the map room.
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