1. I fixed the spoiler tags, but may have messed up the alignment or formatting - please let me know if I did.

Thanks,

Sue

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## note to Sue

The first two lines should be like this, and thanks for the help.

3. I fixed it. Please let me know if there is anything else not right.

4. Marvyn, can you post your solution method? If others can verify your method, this would be very exciting news.

-Rusty

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## How to solve K4

Hi Rusty,

Here is a quick way to solve K4[
1. Move all the letters in a pyramid shape. O will be at the top, and UEKCAR will be at the bottom.
2. Rotate all the letters so the top row reads UZVDKWRFLUXRBO.
3. To make this more difficult the letters may be either plain text, or substituted.
4. I used:
AB CDE FGH IJK LMN OPQ RST UVW XYZ
WD BAT ONG XFI HUK ZCY VRL QEJ SPM
5. Move out the U and E(U= M E=E) the first letters of lines one and two.
6. Move up the K and C straight up from the beginning of line three and four.
7. That makes KZVDKNAS at the beginning of line one.
8. Decode that to NORBNAS(SANBORN backwards and jumbled.
9. CXTIZEN will be at the beginning of line two. That makes CITIZEN decoded.
10. I think Mr. Sanborn made these words easiest to find, so we would have a small chance to solve this.
11. Decode rest of message, my solution is posted above.

note:

YA R
D H is the clue hidden in plain sight.

1. The AHR form a pyramid shape, and K3 talks about King Tuts tomb.
2. The letters for words may be jumbled.
3. The letters may not be on the same line.
4. There may be extra letters.
5. The puzzle will be "HARD".

Good luck, Marvyn spoiler][/spoiler]

6. I'm stuck on your step #1. How do you make the pyramid? There does not seem to be enough letters in K4.

Code:
```         O
BKR
UOXOG
HULBSOL
IFBBWFLRV
QQPRNGKSSOT
WTQSJQSSEKZZW
ATJKLUDIAWINFBN
YPVTTMZFPKWGDKZXT
JCDIGKUHUAUEKCAR```

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## Help in solving K4

Hi again Rusty,

You just made your pyramid to wide. Line one will have one letter, line two will have two letters, etc.

Marvyn

8. I can see his pyramid and the flip, still looking at the rearrangement and letter assignment. I find these triangular patterns fascinating, since rusty and moscow both did puzzles with them.

Code:
```O
BK
RUO
XOGH
ULBSO
LIFBBW
FLRVQQP
RNGKSSOT
WTQSJQSSE
KZZWATJKLU
DIAWINFBNYP
VTTMZFPKWGDK
ZXTJCDIGKUHUA
UEKCAR```

Code:
```UZVDKWRFLUXRBO
EXTIZTNLILOUK
KTTAZQGRFBGO
CJMWWSKVBSH
ACZIAJSQBO
RDFNTQSQW
_IPFJSOP
_GKBKST
_KWNLE
_UGYU
_HDP
_UK
_A```

9. ok, now how did you get SANBORN on the top line?

10. 3. To make this more difficult the letters may be either plain text, or substituted.
4. I used:
AB CDE FGH IJK LMN OPQ RST UVW XYZ
WD BAT ONG XFI HUK ZCY VRL QEJ SPM
5. Move out the U and E(U= M E=E) the first letters of lines one and two.
6. Move up the K and C straight up from the beginning of line three and four.
7. That makes KZVDKNAS at the beginning of line one.
8. Decode that to NORBNAS(SANBORN backwards and jumbled.
9. CXTIZEN will be at the beginning of line two. That makes CITIZEN decoded.
UZVDKWRFLUXRBO
EXTIZTNLILOUK
KTTAZQGRFBGO
CJMWWSKVBSH

5. Move out the U and E(U= M E=E) the first letters of lines one and two.
-ZVDKWRFLUXRBO
-XTIZTNLILOUK
KTTAZQGRFBGO
CJMWWSKVBSH

6. Move up the K and C straight up from the beginning of line three and four.
KZVDKWRFLUXRBO
CXTIZTNLILOUK

7. That makes KZVDKNAS at the beginning of line one.
8. Decode that to NORBNAS(SANBORN backwards and jumbled.
In fact 7 should have said KZVDKWRF that with the subtitution proposed gives NORBNAS, the rest of the line says JTRISCF

9. CXTIZEN will be at the beginning of line two. That makes CITIZEN decoded.
The second line says CXTIZTN that would be CITIZEN if the subtitution cipher is applied to only two of the letters.

In my opinion it is too forced, but what do I know?