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    You doing Kryptos still, and not my wonderfully solvable Kryptonomicon!?

    Seriously, thanks for getting us back on track. Remember that Kryptos was conceived around '89/'90 before the web and Google. Sanborn probably did not foresee people sitting at home with the contents of the Library of Congress at their fingertips.

    So, I think a literary reference by an educated artist is a wonderful way to hide a clue.

    Also, remember K3 is a complicated transposition cipher of a passage from a book. Sanborn did not have complete freedom to put too many hints on this one line. I think he came up with the DYAHR clue as an afterthought using what he had to work with, the ciphertext.

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    Your puzzle looks great, Rusty. I have played with it a bit, but nothing yet.

    As far as Kryptos goes, it is definitely important that we keep in mind the fact that the internet wasn't what it is today.
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    Let's get practical here. If you were a spy and wanted to encrypt a message with a keyword, you have the problem of getting the keyword only to the intended reader. Sure, you could have agreed upon a keyword before hand, but we were tipped to look into the concept of duress ciphers. The scenario for figuring out the keyword PALIMPSEST may be just that, a duress code. How do you tell the intended reader the keyword is PALIMPSEST?

    You don't make vague hints like the codes on the copperplate seeming like a palimpsest because it is a multi-layered puzzle. You can't just guess a word like that. Also, you don't hide elaborate digital codes inside morse code palindrome mistakes. That would be more elaborate than the code you are trying to send in the first place.

    I think the most direct, logical, and foolproof way is to refer to the word in print, like in a book. Hint to an author, a book, a chapter or page number, and perhaps the number of the word on that page. Like a Beale cipher, but for a single word. And that word is PALIMPSEST.

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    So if we use HARDY and IBID, it would make sense that what we are looking for is related to a book by Thomas Hardy. Here is a list:

    o A Changed Man and Other Tales
    o A Group of Noble Dames
    o A Laodicean
    o A Pair of Blue Eyes
    o Desperate Remedies
    o Far From the Madding Crowd
    o Jude the Obscure
    o Life's Little Ironies
    o Tess of the d'Urbervilles
    o The Hand of Ethelberta
    o The Mayor of Casterbridge
    o The Return of the Native
    o The Well-Beloved
    o The Woodlanders
    o Two on a Tower

    Because we already know the keyword is PALIMPSEST, we can determine that the book is "Far from the Madding Crowd" as that is his book that has the word in it. It's in Chapter 36 (which begins on page 281) titled:

    Wealth in Jeopardy
    The Revel


    The word palimpsest is in the first line of page 287 - it's the ninth word. Here is the actual text of the top of that page:

    him. But man, even to himself, is a palimpsest, having an ostensible writing, and another beneath the lines. It is possible that there was this golden legend under the utilitarian one: "I will help to my last effort the woman I have loved so dearly."

    But, if we are trying to find the keyword by Sanborn's actual intended method, how would we know that Far from the Madding Crowd was the book, and that it was that chapter and/or page?
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    I think Hardy is a solid clue. I'm not so sure about IBID.

    The other feature of DYAHR is the vertical aligment, where D and H are lower than Y, A, and R.

    H.D. wrote a book titled Palimpsest. That seems pretty coincidental not to be a clue. And how about that extra L thrown in on the same line. Now you have D.H.L., and D.H. Lawrence wrote the "Palimpsest of Twilight" peom with themes very similar to the K1 solution. Also very coincidental. And he wrote "A Study of Thomas Hardy". I'm still reading that book.

    Could it be we were meant to consider all three authors and figure out what they had in common? Then zero in on the word palimpsest?

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    what I haven't seen, and would like to, if it is available is a map of the Kryptos sculpture area. I've had an idea of how the structure is set up, but I'd like to see it laid out a little better.

    Does anyone know if such a thing exists?
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    I really like the HD and DH Lawrence connections too. I spent a lot of time trying to get to the word "Palimpsest" by researching them, but don't feel like I found a logical method yet.

    While trying to figure out how to narrow the Hardy book choices down to"Far from the Madding Crowd" I found something interesting. And IBID could come in to play. Hardy borrowed the title for the book from a poem titled "Elegy Written in a Country Churchyard". An excerpt from the poem:

    Far from the madding crowd's ignoble strife,
    Their sober wishes never learned to stray;
    Along the cool sequestered vale of life
    They kept the noiseless tenor of their way.


    So, the title "Far from the Madding Crowd" by THOMAS Hardy is copied/the same/ditto/ibid as a line from a famous poem. The author of the poem? THOMAS Gray. Another same/ditto/ibid?

    Coud the raised YAR in the letters possibly be a hint to GRAY? I have a kind of stretchy theory about that, but can anyone find a G to add to the RAY?
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    I never thought that the sculpture looked like a scroll until I read that description somewhere. I don't recall it being described as what I think it looked like (and still do), a flag.

    I always just considered the raised YAR to be a reverse RAY (or a pirate interjection). But this may just my predilection to consider anagrams as the last bastion of the lazy puzzlemaker. As you can tell, I haven't given this a great deal of thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moscow32
    what I haven't seen, and would like to, if it is available is a map of the Kryptos sculpture area.  I've had an idea of how the structure is set up, but I'd like to see it laid out a little better.  

    Does anyone know if such a thing exists?
    I have not seen anything really good like this. Monet Friedrich's website has some pics that give you more views of the area. They might help you piece it together in your head.

    http://www.sfu.ca/~nicolea/kryptos/

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    "Far from the Madding Crowd"

    seems like a comment the artist was making on the
    whole CIA community.

    (see the calming pond)

    As far as narrowing it down from there....

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