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    or if you don't replace th with 0

    *M
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    Return to the center every time, makes a neat cross too.
    Notice the word Math.


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    Default The Second Step

    The second step of Maranatha has four sub-steps:

    A. The discovery of a particular geometric pattern
    B. The correct placement of this pattern on/in the principal solid
    C. A remarkable folding step which converts a boring pattern into a compelling one
    D. Using the final result to generate output consisting of 130 7-letter columns

    From day 1 we were beaten over the head with SIS and the idea of splitting serpents apart with the Staff of Tiresias. What is this about? We start with the solution to the "unbalanced divide" puzzle. As has been shown repeatedly in the attached image, following an unbalanced reordering of the first four images, you simply count the alchemy symbols above and below the horizon, realize that they systematically move from 1 to 8, and so generate a criss-cross pattern. We are supposed to then follow the other hints and divide the two resulting "serpents" with a straight line. This in turn yields two saw-tooth patterns composed of six line segments each, or two Ss. (In this context it is also useful to read the Caduceus segment in the Companion.) But how do we position them in or on the solid?

    There are two main clues in this regard. The first appears in the answer to exercise 1, above. Once someone posts a correct answer, I'll continue with the rest of this. If nobody gets it in the next day or two (I know Scott can do it, but I think he has time constraints), I'll just provide it. The second clue is contained in "The End Et the Beginning."

    By the way, happy SIS day (515) !

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    Exercise 1)

    Using Scott's 7 panels, generate the 7 letter sequence (moving down from level 7 to level 1) found at location I-12 and Z-11. These correspond to the 33rd and 55th columns of the red serpent in Scott's scheme.
    Answer:

    Z-11: F O S X S E N
    I -12: S O S X E N O

    where the red X is a space.

    Both sequences contain an anagram of ONE SS in consecutive letters.

    Recall from earlier the 13 x 2 unit keyhole. As you look down into from above, if you anagram the letters which are visible, you get:

    HER MAGIC ARROWS HERE

    If you imagine (the presence of the space permits this) the two 13 letter strings sliding in the directions opposite to the way their letters strings run until they reach (but not cross) the outer border of the space, their "points" land on these two columns. (The phrase "her magic arrows" is probably a reference to Diana/Artemis.)

    In short, we are given two anchor points for our pair of double S structures.

    We are not yet finished. What do the double Ss look like? How are they designed? A reasonable guess is that they are laid out the way a bishop moves on a chessboard. But how many diagonal units do we travel before shifting direction? The vertical dimension of the solid is 21. Five diagonal units is to big, and 3 is too small. Four works best, but it does leave two "leftover" units. This is slightly unattractive, but turns out to be correct.

    The other clue which gives us a little more faith in placing the patterns is found at the end of the LRB:

    The End Et the Beginning

    It turns out that the first unit of the double S bordering the left side of the space coincides with the last unit of one of the two letter strings. In Scott's system, this is at box A-7.

    Putting all of this together, we wind up with the image attached. Ignore the three layers. I worked with this for a while based on the heaven/earth/hell concept described in the Cadeucus section of the Companion. It was helpful, but ultimately not necessary.

    Finally, consider:

    Exercise 2)

    Locate the four errors in the Companion in which an upper case L is replaced by the number 1. Generate the 7 letter sequence, from the top down, in which each error is found. Finally, determine in which horizontal row the errors are found and, in each case, at which level.

    The four answers are:

    Green serpent letter 66 (Scott coordinates 8-S): 1 R O X F 1 I
    Red serpent letter 90 (Scott coordinates 7-W): N O W 1 E D G
    Red serpent letter 188 (Scott coordinates 17-E): E O F G O 1 D
    red serpent letter 265 (Scott coordinates 6-C): A ! D R E H P

    The key points:

    Three of these are located in consecutive rows: 6-7-8. The last is in row 17. 7 and 17 are the borders of the tomb and provide one extra hint about its slightly unexpected vertical positioning.

    More importantly are the levels in which the replaced letters are found. Looking at them in row order (6-7-8-17) the positions are level 6, level 4, level 2, level 2. This is a major clue for the next step. The fact that all four are even numbers in not a coincidence.

    In the mean time, the attached image represents where we are now at.

    One last thing. I understand that all of you are very skeptical about my solution. While some of my reasoning may not seem compelling to you, I think the dual arrows pointing to the columns containing ONE SS was pretty solid. Look at it this way. If your main reason for doubting my solution is that i haven't heard from Priory, consider that I might be just one little step off near the end. If that is so, I can give each of you 1,823,710 reasons why you should stick with me (and my faithful scribe Scott) until this is done (just a few more days) and see what you would wind up with at the bitter end.

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    Talking Est I Mates

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    I GUESS ALSO THERES A LOT TO E SAID ABOUT

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    Lightbulb Hey Spock

    Looks/sounds/like

    You Met Your Match

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    Default The Folding Step

    The next step involves a bit of origami.

    Three of the images in the LRB were designed to be folded in upon themselves to generate a new image which in itself was a clue. (This requires making two actual folds, so that when the page is partially folded in on itself it looks like an S from the side). The width of the newly generated image is about half that of the original.

    The first is image 3. Fool around with it and watch the pattern that emerges from the tree branches.

    The second is image 6. The same approach converts the T to an H. This is a fairly obscure clue. TH refers to theta, the universal symbol for an angle. Angular displacements play an important role early on leading up to the Fibonacci business...

    The third image is the last one. It is also the most obvious. The three pyramids collapse to one and the separate streams of water magically coalesce.

    How to we finally employ our newly found skill?

    If you print out one of Scott's templates and draw the two double Ss on them, you will see.

    Fold in each side towards the middle. Think of the middle column (number 17) as the Staff of Tiresias. Then fold the left side of the image in so that column 8 now lies next to column 17. Similarly bring in column 27 from the right so that it lies along column 17. When you flatten it all down, you have a new image, exactly half the width of the original, which looks like a variation on the caduceus or, perhaps, a DNA double helix. see the attached.

    I probably would not have tried this without the clue from exercise 2. Specifically, look at the number of spaces between the two double Ss as you work your way from top to bottom. When you get to rows 6-7-8, the number of spaces are 2-4-6. These are precisely the numbers you get from exercise 2 (counting up from the bottom). The pattern repeats itself cyclically: 4-6-6-4-2-2-4-6-6-4-2-2-4-6.....

    The next step is straightforward:

    You just assemble the columns as you read the chromosomes:

    left to right
    top down
    from row 1 to row 21

    You finally get a panel of letters 7 high and 130 wide. See below (there are a couple of typos I think).

    I'll let all of this sit for a little bit.

    Questions are welcome.

    There is not a whole lot left....

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    Imagine Home | Ask an Astrophysicist | Can Science Confirm the Missing Day Referred to in the Bible?





    The Question
    (Submitted March 25, 1997)

    Can the event that took place in Joshua 10:13 be confirmed, for example by counting the positions of heavenly bodies backward in time?


    The Answer
    According to the laws of physics, there are only two possible explanations for having the Sun stand still in the sky for a day: (1) the Earth would essentially have to stop spinning on its axis...for which there is no evidence. -or- (2) the Sun would have to start moving about in the solar system in a very specific way so that it appeared to us on our spinning Earth to be standing still. There is no evidence of this occurring either.
    We, too, have heard an "urban legend" about scientists at NASA GSFC finding the "missing day" in computer calculations of the motions of the planets. The legend has been around for longer than NASA itself, but turned into a NASA "event" sometime in the 60's. The story goes that some scientists were doing orbital mechanics calculations to determine the positions of the planets in the future, for use in determining the trajectories of future satellite missions. They realized they were off by a day. A biblical scholar in the lot remembered the passage from Joshua and all was set right. But these events, in fact, never occurred. It is easy to understand why:

    The "GSFC finds missing day" urban legend doesn't make sense for the following reason. If we want to know where the planets will be in the future, we use accurate knowledge of their initial positions and orbital speeds (which would be where they are located now), and solve for their positions for some time in the future. We solve a very well determined set of equations that describe their motions. The major dynamical component of any planet's orbital motion is determined by solving an equation (force is equal to the mass times the acceleration) which is the perhaps the most fundamental in classical physics. The validity and predictive power of this equation are well documented and can be seen every day: a recent example is the lunar eclipse that was visible to much of the world last Sunday. This calculation would not cover any time before the present, so some missing day many centuries ago, if it had occurred, could not be uncovered with this method.

    In general, trying to prove events that are said to have occurred in the Bible, using scientific principles, doesn't work. Most scientists draw a clear distinction between things that are taken on faith, and those that are testable and therefore falsifiable. Science deals with the latter, and religion with the former.

    Check out:

    Brunvand, Jan Harold (1984) The Choking Doberman and Other "New" Urban Legends. W. W. Norton and Company, pp. 198-199.

    Brunvand, Jan Harold (1991) "The Missing Day in Time," paper presented at the annual conference of the Committee for the Scientific Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal (CSICOP), Berkeley, California, May 4.

    Loftin, Robert W. (1991) Origin of the Myth About a Missing Day in Time. Skeptical Inquirer. vol. 15, no. 4, Summer, pp. 350-351.

    McIver, Tom (1986) Ancient Tales and Space-Age Myths of Creationist Evangelism. Skeptical Inquirer. vol. 10, no. 3, Spring, pp. 258-276.

    and

    Talk.Origins Archive Feedback for June 1998

    Has NASA Discovered a Missing Day? From Reason & Revelation--A Monthly Journal on Christian Evidences. vol. 11, no. 5, pp. 17-19 (May 1991)


    Regards,
    Padi Boyd and Laura Whitlock
    for Ask an Astrophysicist



    Questions on this topic are no longer responded to by the "Ask an Astrophysicist" service. See Ask an Astrophysicist for help on other astronomy Q&A services
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    Default If you don't mind

    Hi Wally-

    I'm trying pretty hard to lay out a solution to the puzzle on this thread, but you keep posting extraneous material on it that kind of, well, interrupts the flow. Could you post your material on a different thread?

    Thx.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spock View Post
    Recall from earlier the 13 x 2 unit keyhole. As you look down into from above, if you anagram the letters which are visible, you get:

    HER MAGIC ARROWS HERE

    If you imagine (the presence of the space permits this) the two 13 letter strings sliding in the directions opposite to the way their letters strings run until they reach (but not cross) the outer border of the space, their "points" land on these two columns. (The phrase "her magic arrows" is probably a reference to Diana/Artemis.)
    Spock,
    If this IS the solution then I think you deserve the reward! I do have a problem with your methodology however. developing an anagram without rules can produce too many different results. In this case, I came up with 55,556 different anagramming solutions. How can you put so much stock into your solution of, "HER MAGIC ARROWS HERE" and not one of the other 55.5 thousand anagram solutions?

    Why not:
    A Whore Recharges MIR
    or
    He Was Mega-Error Rich
    I'm just sayin'

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterWhiskers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Spock View Post
    Recall from earlier the 13 x 2 unit keyhole. As you look down into from above, if you anagram the letters which are visible, you get:

    HER MAGIC ARROWS HERE

    If you imagine (the presence of the space permits this) the two 13 letter strings sliding in the directions opposite to the way their letters strings run until they reach (but not cross) the outer border of the space, their "points" land on these two columns. (The phrase "her magic arrows" is probably a reference to Diana/Artemis.)
    Spock,
    If this IS the solution then I think you deserve the reward! I do have a problem with your methodology however. developing an anagram without rules can produce too many different results. In this case, I came up with 55,556 different anagramming solutions. How can you put so much stock into your solution of, "HER MAGIC ARROWS HERE" and not one of the other 55.5 thousand anagram solutions?

    Why not:
    A Whore Recharges MIR
    or
    He Was Mega-Error Rich
    I'm just sayin'
    This particular anagram was found after the fact (not by me), and is just a minor piece of supporting evidence. It is not needed for the solution.

    The two versions of ONE SS is much more important and, in my view, convincing. Without this clue I would have been stuck with respect to placing the criss-cross patterns.

    Your general point is well-taken, and has been summarized in the

    First Law of Cryptodynamics

    If you have enough letters, you can anagram anything.

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