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    Well I have finally got back to working on the puzzle tonight going on with the Heading Solis Sacerdotibus

    Well this seems to relate a lot to the parchments

    I noticed they talk of the triangular monogram with the letters MS. - Could this relate to codex alexandrinus - Greek MS.

    Well it would seem the Peace 681 seems to refer to the Third Council of Constantinople held in 681. Extract - notice the word Peace is constantly referred here.

    "The only Son and Word of God the Father, who became a man like us in all things but sin, Christ our true God, proclaimed clearly in the words of the gospel; I am the light of the world; anyone who follows me shall not walk in darkness but shall have the light of life, and again, My peace I leave to you, my peace I give you. Our most mild emperor, champion of right belief and adversary of wrong belief, guided in godly wisdom by this teaching of peace spoken by God, has brought together this holy and universal assembly of ours and set at one the whole judgment of the church"

    Finally completing what was started at the Council of Nicaea 324/325

    The next part of the parchment talks of "This horse of God I Destroy this guardian"

    So far this section has taken me into St. Anthony, Arius, St. Athanasius and Balachyn.

    Interesting how book two talks of Balachyn how he mocked and insulted St. Anthony and in response it is said that God instructed Balachyn's HORSE to throw his rieder and to kick and bite him to death, which the horse did.

    I not too sure if I have read book 2 correctly in this regard but it would appear Balachyn related to leader of the heresy of Arius. Now St. Athanasius opposed Arius on every front and St. Anthony had to come out of the wilderness as he was accused of supporting the Arians (Arius) to proclaim he did not support their stance, but supported Athanasius instead. Arius was said to have been poisoned by his opponents.

    So in summary the Balachyn leader of the Arians was destroyed by the instruction of God by his horse. Peace was not restored until 681 with the Third council of Constantinople.

    Arian and Christians used the Christian Cross.

    So "Peace 681 by the cross and this horse of god I complete/destroy this guardian" seems to relate to the above.

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    I like reading your posts. Always food for thought! Thanks.
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    I like reading your posts. Always food for thought! Thanks.
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    They are always very insightful and I am enjoying your thought process. Many topics I have covered and researched but I have been unable to piece them together as you have Christine. Keep up the Great Work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by linz View Post
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    I like reading your posts. Always food for thought! Thanks.
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    They are always very insightful and I am enjoying your thought process. Many topics I have covered and researched but I have been unable to piece them together as you have Christine. Keep up the Great Work.
    Thanks Linz



    Well going on from previous post. Some of the information in book two still troubles me.....

    To me it still seems to point to the Egyptian Church.

    Okay we have the Council of Nicaea 324/325 and all this talk about Constantine, then later books 2 tells us that Constantine's actual conversion did not take place until his deathbed where his baptism was completed by the Arian bishop Eusebius of Nicomedia, an ally of Arius.

    Then we have Peace 681 seems to refer to the Third Council of Constantinople held in 681.

    Book 2 tells us that the Alpha a metaphor - Jesus message "I am alpha and omega the beginning and the end' A further metaphor associated with Constantine was that he was the beginning of the Christian church by ending the former faiths.
    Well the council of Nicaea seems to be the beginning of this changing, we have Arius views being discounted (Egyptian Church) and this change of faith seems to have been finalised with the Third Council of Constantinople held in 681. (The beginning and the end).

    Now book 2 goes on to talk of ST. Paul the Hermit and referring to a part of Egypt when Decius was the Emperor. Now this caught my eye. Especially the name Decius.

    Decius was appointed emperor 249 -251ad he was the last of the Roman Emperors to still bow to kingship - keystone of ancient Egyptian culture - upon his accession to the throne the king became "A human in the role of God", the successor on earth of the God Horus "Upon the throne of (the God) Geb. (Geb = Earth - Nut and Geb parents of Osiris, Iris, Seth and Nethyhs). This seems to fit previous threads of the puzzle story.

    Now this title heading talks of the Poussin and Teniers paintings. Thought it interesting when looking at the Teniers painting, especially in regard to St. Paul. I notice it just says St. Paul in the title of the painting what I thought interesting were the artist depiction of certain aspects relating to St. Paul.

    1. Saint Paul, also called Saul in Hebrew - we know he also spent time in the desert - his symbol is an open book, notice in the painting the open book by the alter and St. Anthony is holding the open book, also another symbol of St. Paul is he is shown with a bushy beard. He was of the tribe of Benjamin. Now this tribe seems to also play a big part in this puzzle, from my previous post relating to Joseph you can probably pick up this thought.

    2. St Paul the Hermit symbol is he is near a river and a single loaf of bread.

    So in Teniers painting we have the open book, bushy beard, wadi and single loaf of bread, but the question is why is he depicting both St. Paul's????

    3. Poussin - he is drawing our attention to the crook staff, especially in his original work. Notice in his second painting there is no crook staff, but in his first painting we have the crook staff and the angel of the staff is deliberately shifted when it reappears near the shepherd’s leg. Is Poussin drawing out attention to this staff for a reason? The crook staff is an Egyptian staff.

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    Maybe there is something in this Codes Alexandrinus

    parchments the triangular monogram with the letters MS. - Could this relate to codex alexandrinus - Greek MS.

    Talks of the letter "A" - held in British Museum.


    "valuable Greek manuscript of the Old and New Testaments, so named because it was brought to Europe from Alexandria and had been the property of the patriarch of that see. For the sake of brevity, Walton, in his polyglot Bible, indicated it by the letter A and thus set the fashion of designating Biblical manuscripts by such symbols. Codex A was the first of the great uncials to become known to the learned world. When Cyril Lucar, Patriarch of Alexandria, was transferred in 1621 to the Patriarchate of Constantinople, he is believed to have brought the codex with him.

    Later he sent it as a present to King James I of England; James died before the gift was presented, and Charles I, in 1627, accepted it in his stead.

    It is now the chief glory of the British Museum in its manuscript department and is on exhibition there. [Editor's Note: The British Museum and the British Library split in 1973, and the Codex is now kept in the latter.]"

    "Epistle to Marcellinus" ascribed to St. Athanasius is inserted as a preface to the Psalter, together with Eusebius's summary of the Psalms; Psalm 151 and certain selected canticles of the Old Testament are affixed, and liturgical uses of the psalms indicated

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    In regards to Teniers painting

    St Paul the hermit and St. Anthony. Well there seems to be two conflicting stories.

    book 2 states that St. Anthony older then St. Paul yet Christian sources say St. Paul was older then St. Anthony.

    Okay, so lets look at both of these stories from the point of view of Book 2 and Christian sources.

    Book 2 first.

    Book of life St. Anthony said to be recorded by Athanasius. St Anthony close to death asked St. Paul to go to his abbey and receive the cloak of Athanasius who bequeathed it to him so he could use it as a funeral shroud. St. Paul went to Abbey but when he returned his fellow hermit had passed away. St. Paul buried him in the sacred cloak of Athanasius.

    Christian Accounts.
    St. Paul the hermit first of the Egyptian Hermits, when 113 years old he was visited by St. Anthony, himself over 90 and when he died in 341. St. Anthony wrapped his body in the cloak given him by St. Athanasius, and his grave was dug by two lions (this must represents Judah's line) He lived in a cave and is represented as an old man, clothed with palm leaves and seated under a palm-tree, near which are a river and loaf of bread.

    Notice that River (Stream) and loaf of Bread.....as mentioned in book two. page 33 In Freemasonry Stream and Corn (BREAD) hold great significance and a term used for both a Knight Templar and Freemason is "Son of a Widow".

    When you research when St. Paul the Hermit and St. Anthony died.

    St. Paul the Hermit died 341AD
    St. Anthony died 356AD

    So accordingly, St. Paul died first.

    So why the conflicting stories?????

    Book 2 tells us on page 36 early Christian writers specifically wrote to obscure truths and facts.

    The council of Nicaea established to choose which existing Christian writing would be accepted and which Christian writing disguarded and which beliefs would be deemed true and which beliefs would not.

    Now, looking at St. Paul (Saul) he was beheaded in 66AD

    St. Paul (Saul) his story goes......Originally called Saul, his name, according to tradition was changed in honour of Sergius Paulus whom he converted.

    Sergius Paulus = Lucius Sergius Paulus .....the story goes Elymas (Bar-Jesus) a Jewish magician called magus (sorcerer) opposing Saul and Barnabas in Cyprus. Paul makes Bar-Jesus temporary blind (ths temporary blinding seems to remind me of other stories - Tiresias) after this Sergius converts to Christianity.. Also the story goes Paul was stoned and his body dumped outside the city presumed dead. Yet he "ROSE UP" and returns to Lystra.

    Now when you think about this seems to resound of the "raising of the master"

    St. Paul (Saul) symbols a sword which was the instrument of is martyrdom (which means one who bears to faith of his blood) and an open book (the new law propagated by him as the apostle of the Gentile (All people not Jewish).
    Interesting how he went to Cyprus....Cyprus appears later in history in regards to the Knight Templars

    central archive of the Order was originally supposely held at the Orderís headquarters, at first in Jerusalem, then at Acre, then (after 1291) on Cyprus. After the dissolution of the Order by Pope Clement V in 1312 the archive passed into the possession of the Hospital of St John. Presumably it remained on Cyprus.

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    Book 2 also tells us that Benjamin and his descending tribe beginning with the kingship of Israel...King Saul and this line provided apostle Paul (Saul)......so he was of the tribe of Benjamin.....

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    Asmodeus

    Was the son of Agrat and ancient Israel's King David, thus making him King Solomon's half brother.

    According to legend Agrat - "agrat bat Mahlath (Hebrew for Agrat daught of Mahalath")
    Agrat came upon King David sleeping in the desert and coupled with him while he dreamed she conceived and bore Asmodeus, King Solomon's brother and rival.

    Agrat is know as the spirit of Wisdom

    According to Jewish legend, Hagar arranged a marriage for her son Ishmael wiht the Egyptian daugther of the sorcerer Khasdiel. Abraham disapproved and later made Ishamel divorce and banish his pregnant wife, who went to live in the desert where she gave birth to Mahalat. When Mahalat grew up, the demon Agratiel, ruler of the desert, fell in love wiht her and they had Agrat their daughter.

    Bible story Gen 28 -8-9

    And Esau saw that the daughers of Canaan pleased not Isaac his father and Esua went unto Ishmael and took unto the vies which he had Mahalath the daughter of Ishmael, Abraham's son, the sister of Nebaioth to be his wife.

    then Gen 36-3
    Calls Mahalath - Basemath .....Basemath and Esau bore Reuel.

    Reuel also known as Raguel

    Esau dwelt in MOunt Seir - Esau is Edom (They are called Dukes)

    p150 Book 2 - Tobit

    The house owned by Ragual who had a beautiful daughter named Sara. This young girl was being plagured by the demon Asmodeus. Sara had been betrothered to 7 husbands and on 7 occassions each night of thier wedlock the demon had killed her husbands.

    Tobias fell in love with Sara and claimed her as his bride. Her partents gave their consent hoping that the union with Tobias would beat the curse of Asmodeus. (Angel Raphael is able to subdue Asmodeus)

    p114 - Mosis

    Moses fled to ARabia and married the daughter of Raguel an Arabian King.

    p100 - Midian

    The shepherdess daughters of Midian priest Jethro, also known as Reuel.......Moses married one of the priests daughers Zipparah meaning bird.

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    Esau dwelt in MOunt Seir - Esau is Edom (They are called Dukes)

    King James Bible
    These were dukes of the sons of Esau: the sons of Eliphaz the firstborn son of Esau; duke Teman, duke Omar, duke Zepho, duke Kenaz,

    American King James Version
    These were dukes of the sons of Esau: the sons of Eliphaz the firstborn son of Esau; duke Teman, duke Omar, duke Zepho, duke Kenaz,

    dukes. The word duke is from the Latin dux, a captain or leader, from duco, to lead, guide; which is the exact import of the Hebrew [alluph,] alluph, from [aleph, lamed, pheh,] to lead, guide; and is here applied to heads of families, chieftains, or princes, who were military leaders.

    The title of the hightest rank of nobility in Great Britian. The first English dukedom to be created was that bestowed by Edward 111 on his eldest son the Black Prince 1338. when he was raised from EArl of Cornwall to Duke of Cornwall. The title is very rarely conferred except for royal dukes.

    Edward 111 erected a round table at Windsor
    Big Royal Dig from Channel4.com


    knight - A man of gentle birth who, after serving at court or in the retinue of some lord as a page was admitted to appropriate ceremonies to an honourable degree of military rank and given the right to bear arms.


    Knight of the Round Table - in the Arthurian legend, a knight of King Arthur's court

    Templar, Knight Templar - a knight of a religious military order established in 1118 to protect pilgrims and the Holy Sepulcher.

    Don't Mason use the title knight also.

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