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    Default Heavenly Music

    Hi all,

    Have any of you found the Musical note for the planet earth?

    Just wondering if it has one at all or if I have just missed it in translation?

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    I can't help there Linz.

    Seven notes to a scale that finishes on the first note at the interval of an octave. You will need eight symbols to play a scale. Having more symbols means that more notes will have their octaves.

    You will have to place them in some sort of order ( heliocentric perhaps? )and then asign them a name. ( c,d,e,f,g,a,b, and then c',d',e' etc.... ) The next step is to work out how to read the order of the actual notes. Only now can you play the music which will have all the notes being held for the same length.

    Would you just die if you ended up with Yankee Doodle or some such?

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    You might care to have a look at You Tube, under Roslyn chapel. There you can hear the solution to the musical puzzle carved into the stone roof. I think that it is quite beautiful.

    Then again... the planets were numbered to write messages across the sky, could also be words.

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    432 hz, the universal frequency.

    This just might provide a few pointers.
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    Interesting Tom.

    Pitch will vary depending on the temperature, speed of travel between sound producers and the air preasure. Musical pitch varied from place to place and was never completely standardised. It is true that pitch was lower in history, a 392hz, a 409hz, a 432hz etc but there are also examples where it was higher.

    For there to be some resonance with a so called universal frequency you have to play a note that is the same as it or a simple fraction or multiple of it. Temperature and air preasure for wind instruments is critical here otherwise you will not be in tune.

    In short, there is no universal pitch or resonance. It is impractical.

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    Thanks Azoth and Tom,

    Here is what I have so far:

    Pythagorean Tone Generator Notes:

    C = Stars
    B = Sun
    A = Moon
    G = Murcury
    F = Venus
    E = Mars
    D = Jupiter
    C = Saturn

    Azoth,

    Yes We have 8 as you have said so perhaps I am looking for something which does not exist. The only word I continually come up with is FACE but possibly I need Astree to work on the anagram side of it as it is not my strong point ..... actually starting to wonder what is ?? Nothing Like 3 years at the same puzzle to shake your confidence.

    Tom,
    Thank you for bringing my attention back to 432 . It is interesting that this is the sound generated by the earth especially given that we have found it previously in the puzzle. I have not previously know where to take this but notice it mentions that the note this is closest to is A so I will consider that as well as that it could be nothing but there are a few planets which I have been unable to come up with a note for.
    Linz

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    Quote Originally Posted by linz View Post
    Thanks Azoth and Tom,

    Here is what I have so far:

    Pythagorean Tone Generator Notes:

    C = Stars
    B = Sun
    A = Moon
    G = Murcury
    F = Venus
    E = Mars
    D = Jupiter
    C = Saturn

    Azoth,

    Yes We have 8 as you have said so perhaps I am looking for something which does not exist. The only word I continually come up with is FACE but possibly I need Astree to work on the anagram side of it as it is not my strong point ..... actually starting to wonder what is ?? Nothing Like 3 years at the same puzzle to shake your confidence.

    Tom,
    Thank you for bringing my attention back to 432 . It is interesting that this is the sound generated by the earth especially given that we have found it previously in the puzzle. I have not previously know where to take this but notice it mentions that the note this is closest to is A so I will consider that as well as that it could be nothing but there are a few planets which I have been unable to come up with a note for.
    Just some food for thought.
    That we have more planets is no particular problem if you think along the lines that we now have more notes to play on. The "tune" can now cover a larger compass.

    Music can hide messages by assigning letters to the different notes. B.A.C.H. for example used to sign one of Bach's compositions in the Art of Fugue.

    The music of the spheres is a nice concept, but the reality is that sound can not travel in the vacuum of space. In regards to the Earth, I find it impossible to believe that the mass of the planet could vibrate at such a speed. Think of the metal bar on a glockenspiel that sounds at 432hz, it is only a few inches long and weighs perhaps a few ounces. Compare it to the Earth. The larger the mass the lower the frequency. Any sound generated would be inaudible, having a cycle that would be years long not fractions of a second.

    Sorry to spoil the fun here but the only pleasure is in playing with the concept.

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    You might be interested to know that the lowest note that I have seen and experienced is 16hz. This is produced by an organ pipe in the Sydney Town Hall. The pipe is so long that it goes from the floor of the hall to the top of the ceiling, then is bent back on itself, to return to the floor and return to the ceiling again. A little less than 64 feet in length.

    I might add that the sound is not heard but felt in the hall, and it is certainly not musical. Human hearing can not register such low frequencies, trying to tune it must be a nightmare.

    For those who have access to a piano, the note in question is an octave and a sixth below the lowest note on the keyboard. The the bottom A on the piano is about as far as most ears can hear a musical note. Below that all you have is a very expensive noise.

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    Linz,

    That’s a bit tricky. I don’ think it’s necessary to focus on the CAFE anagrams too much for this puzzle, although that one stars and is repeated in another current puzzle (hint to one).

    There is an overwhelming amount of peripheral information related to the Maranatha puzzle, but I believe the best progress on the core puzzle can be made by focusing on the book itself.

    It’s hard to know where to start.

    To this end, there are various pieces of information posted throughout the forum. You will several of them consolidated and a few dots connected in Feb 9 2008 posts, this thread. The approach given in those posts is not how I initially worked that portion of the puzzle, but I have tried to simplify it.

    An additional confirmation: If you decide to pursue this aspect, you will find that one character p. 10 remains undefined per the Feb 9 posts. (middle-right, with shepherd’s staff). By elimination, this is Mosis. You will notice that that figure is actually comprised of two units – one standing, and one kneeling. During the natural flow of the puzzle, one later arrives at the statement “firm understanding”. This is the figure that is indicated at that time – Mosis is standing over the firm (balance) Aaron – and hears the laws of creation “with the aid of his brother”.

    I wish you the best of success,
    astree
    Thanks Astree,

    I also wish you all the best and will of course take the time to have a look back at the posts you have mentioned.

    Of course the anagram possibilities are greater than those only containing FACE or CAFE because in the end there are many more letters involved C B A G F E D C.


    I have also come up with another idea for their use but will post once I check to see if it provides anything concrete.
    Linz

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    Quote Originally Posted by linz View Post

    Of course the anagram possibilities are greater than those only containing FACE or CAFE because in the end there are many more letters involved C B A G F E D C.
    Hi linz,

    Thanks for your response. I don't see a way to get good anagrams without going to abbreviations. The C BAG FED C is interesting in that case:

    C(arbon) C(opy) BAG FED

    and aside from FAD BEG and a few variations is about all I could get.

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