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    What is true about RLC is still what is true about RLC.

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    "But you ducked the question anyway Ruby - as the spokesperson, surely you are aware of the facts that support D's ideas. So what are the facts Ruby?"
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    Duncan explained the facts that are the evidence that support his theory in his article. You refuse to recognize those facts. You state of Duncan's "exposés" that "none of them include any 'facts' that can be directly seen to 'illuminate' RLC.". By placing the word facts in quotes, you imply that they are not facts, and you there-by claim that Duncan's "exposés", such as his solution for the church statuary, which is his solution to RLC, contain no facts.
    So you are in fact asking me to give you something that you don't believe exists, and that you have already shown that you are unable to recognize when it is given to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubyfelixir View Post
    What is true about RLC is still what is true about RLC.

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    "But you ducked the question anyway Ruby - as the spokesperson, surely you are aware of the facts that support D's ideas. So what are the facts Ruby?"
    END QUOTE

    Duncan explained the facts that are the evidence that support his theory in his article. You refuse to recognize those facts. You state of Duncan's "exposés" that "none of them include any 'facts' that can be directly seen to 'illuminate' RLC.". By placing the word facts in quotes, you imply that they are not facts, and you there-by claim that Duncan's "exposés", such as his solution for the church statuary, which is his solution to RLC, contain no facts.
    So you are in fact asking me to give you something that you don't believe exists, and that you have already shown that you are unable to recognize when it is given to you.
    Aaah, there's the rub isn't Ruby? Opinion is not fact is it? So again Ruby, if you know of a fact that D has used to illuminate the RLC mystery in any of his articles, I'd be only too pleased to see it.

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    Yeah-yeah, I understand that you want me to go through the article, and highlight all the facts for you with a marker, so you don't have to.

    THE FACTS
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    "The very existence of these structures shows that somehow this priest gained access to a considerably vast amount of wealth."

    "Indeed, he is known to have supported the old Royalist regime[...]

    "What is clear is that his meagre wages for being a humble village priest would not have covered the bill."

    "There are many speculations as to how Saunière gained such finances[...]"

    "Of all his financial investments in property the
    singular building which commands so much attention is
    his own little parish church. It is found in the village itself
    and is dedicated to St Mary Magdalene."

    "The concept of Masonic links being made with the
    design of the church is not new. The black-and-white chequered
    floor and the blue-starred ceiling near the altar
    have already been commented upon, as they would
    appear to be standard depictions in a Masonic Lodge -
    but they are also aspects not that unfamiliar in churches."

    "Upon entering the church you are famously greeted
    by the Devil supporting a water stoup[...]"

    "Directly opposite the door stands a statue of
    Jesus being baptised by St John. Speculation exists that
    the statue of Jesus is supposed to echo the statue of the
    devil, with their body postures being similar. Curiously, it
    appears that John is using a shell to baptise Christ, just as
    a shell is seen as the main body of the water stoup above
    the devil. Most of the statues in the church were
    purchased directly from a catalogue, including that of
    Jesus and St John, although the devil water stoup was
    specially commissioned[...]"

    "The concepts of opposites and balances are
    common imagery in Freemasonry."

    Need I go on? Probably.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubyfelixir View Post
    Yeah-yeah, I understand that you want me to go through the article, and highlight all the facts for you with a marker, so you don't have to.

    THE FACTS
    QUOTE
    "The very existence of these structures shows that somehow this priest gained access to a considerably vast amount of wealth."

    "Indeed, he is known to have supported the old Royalist regime[...]

    "What is clear is that his meagre wages for being a humble village priest would not have covered the bill."

    "There are many speculations as to how Saunière gained such finances[...]"

    "Of all his financial investments in property the
    singular building which commands so much attention is
    his own little parish church. It is found in the village itself
    and is dedicated to St Mary Magdalene."

    "The concept of Masonic links being made with the
    design of the church is not new. The black-and-white chequered
    floor and the blue-starred ceiling near the altar
    have already been commented upon, as they would
    appear to be standard depictions in a Masonic Lodge -
    but they are also aspects not that unfamiliar in churches."

    "Upon entering the church you are famously greeted
    by the Devil supporting a water stoup[...]"

    "Directly opposite the door stands a statue of
    Jesus being baptised by St John. Speculation exists that
    the statue of Jesus is supposed to echo the statue of the
    devil, with their body postures being similar. Curiously, it
    appears that John is using a shell to baptise Christ, just as
    a shell is seen as the main body of the water stoup above
    the devil. Most of the statues in the church were
    purchased directly from a catalogue, including that of
    Jesus and St John, although the devil water stoup was
    specially commissioned[...]"

    "The concepts of opposites and balances are
    common imagery in Freemasonry."

    Need I go on? Probably.
    Love it Ruby. No wonder they appointed you as the spokesperson.
    Now I've been illuminated by the facts that you so kindly pointed out to me, I realise that D's Masonic ideas aren't so speculative ... I'm amazed RLC was such a mystery in the first place...

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    QUOTE JLOCKEST in the
    Thoughts and Findings Thread
    Thoughts and Findings related to the Maranatha "Key" Pt. II
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    And I repeat (despite Ruby's stunning post on the 'facts' in D's exposes), D's writings so far have not provided any facts that further illuminate RLC or any other mystery.
    END QUOTE

    TO THE FACT-CAVE!

    Ashlars are stone blocks that depict the stages of development of a Freemason.
    FACT

    The Rough Ashlar is used to represent an Entered Apprentice, while the Perfect Ashlar is used to represent a Fellowcraft Mason.
    FACT

    Craft Lodges are called ‘Blue Lodges’ and in Blue Lodges there is a series of three rituals performed – Entered Apprentice, Fellowcraft and Master Mason – all of which are meant to be performed at noon (midday).
    FACT

    The purpose of the blue craft rituals is a symbolic progression of an ordinary man joining a Masonic Guild to learn the knowledge of Stonemasonry. Stonemasonry is expressed as a metaphorical representation of, amongst other things, a series of lessons in morality, which climax in the Master Mason ceremony.
    FACT

    The word demon does depict a maniacally evil entity, whereas the word ‘daemon’ can
    not only depict the same, but can also represent a benevolent spirit.
    FACT

    A more compelling observation [...] can be found in the choice of other statues in the church, ones that are said to spell out the word ‘Graal’.
    FACT

    Taken at face value this claim seems little more than coincidental, but with the letters to be in a seemingly perfect sequence and forming a large ‘M’ on the church floor, it does encourage consideration.
    FACT

    Tracing the imaginary ‘M’ across the length of the church, it is seen that all the statues within its area are used and each are in linguistic order to spell the word
    ‘Graal’ – except for one.
    FACT

    This remaining statue sits in the ‘V’ of the design and depicts the church’s dedication to
    Mary Magdalene. The exclusion and placing of the statue could be poetic reasoning for the ‘M’, being a reference to Mary herself.
    FACT

    Or perhaps it is to highlight another parallel to her name, ‘Mary Magdalene’ as ‘M M’, shared initials of ‘Maître Maçon’ – French for ‘Master Mason’?
    FACT
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    All of those facts are further quotes from Duncan's article. I forgot to add the quotation marks.
    FACT

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubyfelixir View Post
    QUOTE JLOCKEST in the
    Thoughts and Findings Thread
    Thoughts and Findings related to the Maranatha "Key" Pt. II
    QUOTE
    And I repeat (despite Ruby's stunning post on the 'facts' in D's exposes), D's writings so far have not provided any facts that further illuminate RLC or any other mystery.
    END QUOTE

    TO THE FACT-CAVE!

    Ashlars are stone blocks that depict the stages of development of a Freemason.
    FACT

    The Rough Ashlar is used to represent an Entered Apprentice, while the Perfect Ashlar is used to represent a Fellowcraft Mason.
    FACT

    Craft Lodges are called ‘Blue Lodges’ and in Blue Lodges there is a series of three rituals performed – Entered Apprentice, Fellowcraft and Master Mason – all of which are meant to be performed at noon (midday).
    FACT

    The purpose of the blue craft rituals is a symbolic progression of an ordinary man joining a Masonic Guild to learn the knowledge of Stonemasonry. Stonemasonry is expressed as a metaphorical representation of, amongst other things, a series of lessons in morality, which climax in the Master Mason ceremony.
    FACT

    The word demon does depict a maniacally evil entity, whereas the word ‘daemon’ can
    not only depict the same, but can also represent a benevolent spirit.
    FACT

    A more compelling observation [...] can be found in the choice of other statues in the church, ones that are said to spell out the word ‘Graal’.
    FACT

    Taken at face value this claim seems little more than coincidental, but with the letters to be in a seemingly perfect sequence and forming a large ‘M’ on the church floor, it does encourage consideration.
    FACT

    Tracing the imaginary ‘M’ across the length of the church, it is seen that all the statues within its area are used and each are in linguistic order to spell the word
    ‘Graal’ – except for one.
    FACT

    This remaining statue sits in the ‘V’ of the design and depicts the church’s dedication to
    Mary Magdalene. The exclusion and placing of the statue could be poetic reasoning for the ‘M’, being a reference to Mary herself.
    FACT

    Or perhaps it is to highlight another parallel to her name, ‘Mary Magdalene’ as ‘M M’, shared initials of ‘Maître Maçon’ – French for ‘Master Mason’?
    FACT
    Stunning again Ruby... I now feel like one of the Illuminati I have been so enlightened.

    But I would dispute your use of the word fact on:

    'Craft Lodges are called ‘Blue Lodges..'

    Are they? In what jurisdiction? I spent years in UGLE and never heard the term once - Craft lodges were called ....drum roll...Craft Lodges (how apt eh?). I think you'll find it's an Americanism. I am also not sure as to which article you're referring to - but if it was on Humblemason - then I think that the article would also have to show that 'blue lodge' was used in France at the point of Sauniere. So fact - hmmm. I would then ask that you factor in that no one has shown that BS was even a mason, let alone what jurisdiction he was under.

    ...The word demon does depict a maniacally evil entity, whereas the word ‘daemon’ can
    not only depict the same, but can also represent a benevolent spirit...


    Does it in 19th century French?

    A more compelling observation [...] can be found in the choice of other statues in the church, ones that are said to

    Does not shout fact to me. Sounds more like opinion.


    Tracing the imaginary ‘M’ across the length of the church, it is seen that all the statues within its area are used and each are in linguistic order to spell the word
    ‘Graal’ – except for one.


    Except for one? What the one that makes the idea not work? Is Graal masonic anyway?

    This remaining statue sits in the ‘V’ of the design and depicts the church’s dedication to
    Mary Magdalene. The exclusion and placing of the statue could be poetic reasoning


    Could be sounds again like opinion to me.


    Or perhaps it is to highlight another parallel to her name,


    Or perhaps....is opinion? Maybe a bit like a lazy eye..


    So...to recap. I have learnt that speculative Masonry uses a symbolic system based on operative masonry...Are you certain you're (or were) PPubs spokesperson? I'm beginning to have my doubts. But if you're not or weren't, what motive would you have for saying that you were?

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    QUOTE JLOCKEST
    So...to recap. I have learnt that speculative Masonry uses a symbolic system based on operative masonry...
    END QUOTE

    Well, at least you admit that you learned something.


    QUOTE JLOCKEST
    "But I would dispute your use of the word fact on:
    'Craft Lodges are called ‘Blue Lodges..'
    Are they? In what jurisdiction? I spent years in UGLE and never heard the term once - Craft lodges were called ....drum roll...Craft Lodges (how apt eh?). I think you'll find it's an Americanism."
    END QUOTE

    You admit that it is an Amercanism, that is, it is something known by and used by a lot of Americans. Therefore it fulfills one of the two criteria that you gave for you to accept something as a fact, that something is a fact when it is accepted by a lot of people.
    The thing about Americanisms is, that they go where Americans go.
    Freemasonry went from Europe to America, where it experienced changes that proved popular, and that Freemasonry returned from America to Europe, where it influenced European Freemasonry.


    QUOTE JLOCKEST
    QUOTE RUBYFELIXIR
    QUOTE DUNCAN BURDEN
    "A more compelling observation [...] can be found in the choice of other statues in the church, ones that are said to spell out the word ‘Graal’."

    Does not shout fact to me. Sounds more like opinion."
    END QUOTE

    The statement is accurate. It has been said by other people. Maybe he was going to go back and fill it in later with a name and forgot. If Duncan had put a name, it would be an appeal to authority, something that you do all the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubyfelixir View Post
    QUOTE JLOCKEST
    So...to recap. I have learnt that speculative Masonry uses a symbolic system based on operative masonry...
    END QUOTE

    Well, at least you admit that you learned something.


    QUOTE JLOCKEST
    "But I would dispute your use of the word fact on:
    'Craft Lodges are called ‘Blue Lodges..'
    Are they? In what jurisdiction? I spent years in UGLE and never heard the term once - Craft lodges were called ....drum roll...Craft Lodges (how apt eh?). I think you'll find it's an Americanism."
    END QUOTE

    You admit that it is an Amercanism, that is, it is something known by and used by a lot of Americans. Therefore it fulfills one of the two criteria that you gave for you to accept something as a fact, that something is a fact when it is accepted by a lot of people.
    The thing about Americanisms is, that they go where Americans go.
    Freemasonry went from Europe to America, where it experienced changes that proved popular, and that Freemasonry returned from America to Europe, where it influenced European Freemasonry.

    You appear to mislead. The article implies that it is accepted that Masonry (without even qualifying what jurisdiction or 'type' of Masonry) calls lodges Blue. But that isn't the case is it? It's not true - not all of Masonry call their lodges blue. But if D had shown what jurisdiction BS was under - or even the type of Masonry BS was under and that that specific Masonry called their lodges Blue in BS's time - then I would agree he could state it as fact. But he doesn't do that does he? Mainly as D doesn't even show BS was a Mason.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ruby
    QUOTE JLOCKEST
    QUOTE RUBYFELIXIR
    QUOTE DUNCAN BURDEN
    "A more compelling observation [...] can be found in the choice of other statues in the church, ones that are said to spell out the word ‘Graal’."

    Does not shout fact to me. Sounds more like opinion."
    END QUOTE

    The statement is accurate. It has been said by other people. Maybe he was going to go back and fill it in later with a name and forgot. If Duncan had put a name, it would be an appeal to authority, something that you do all the time.

    That's it? 'Compelling observation...are said' by D, followed by your '...Maybe ...If......it would'. Make facts?

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    Next you'll be telling me that the Zapruder film is a fake.
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