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    Quote Originally Posted by jlockest View Post
    Still not sure I follow. Christians believe in G_d - one G_d, not three. How they approach G_d is up to them. I eat oranges, but my son only likes the juice. But we still like oranges. Masons do not focus on how you approach G-d and in general terms prohibit religious discussion within the lodge anyway - quite rightly IMHO as it then stops the arguments over whether the fruit or juice is better - and then the endless discussions on whether it should be served chilled or baked with honey and cinnamon...etc
    As I am not a Mason, I really can't say anything about what they believe or don't believe, I can only go by what I read. Duncan did say that his next article on his website will be about his belief in God, so maybe he will shed some light on this discussion, at least until he says he can't say anything more because it is a secret.

    The best analogy I ever came up with for the Trinity was the Borg on Star Trek. The Borg is one because all the individuals are connected, electronically, but they are still individuals, they just know what each other is doing. No matter how many times it has been discussed in the various churches I've attended, the Trinity is never logically explained. You always have to make some illogical leap to get there. For example, if the three are really one, then why would Jesus call out to God or pray to God, who is supposed to be himself. Makes no sense to me, but I can be pretty dense sometimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pws111 View Post
    As I am not a Mason, I really can't say anything about what they believe or don't believe, I can only go by what I read. Duncan did say that his next article on his website will be about his belief in God, so maybe he will shed some light on this discussion, at least until he says he can't say anything more because it is a secret.

    The best analogy I ever came up with for the Trinity was the Borg on Star Trek. The Borg is one because all the individuals are connected, electronically, but they are still individuals, they just know what each other is doing. No matter how many times it has been discussed in the various churches I've attended, the Trinity is never logically explained. You always have to make some illogical leap to get there. For example, if the three are really one, then why would Jesus call out to God or pray to God, who is supposed to be himself. Makes no sense to me, but I can be pretty dense sometimes.
    I don't think it's anything to do with what Masons may or may not believe - apart from one thing. You cannot become a Mason (unless in certain areas where different Masonic groups have jurisdiction - ie the French system), unless you state a belief in a Supreme Being - a single G_d. That's it. After that, each Mason can believe what they like (and obviously do, given that Masonry isn't religion specific - oaths are taken on the VSL NOT the Bible (the VSL may happen to be the Bible if that is the candidate's VSL)).
    IMHO the Trinity are aspects of G_d as taught in Christianity - manifestations of part of the whole. The Christian belief - as Nicaea - is that G_d manifested Himself as human (wholly human) but was still G_d (or of the same substance of G_d). Jesus then experienced humanity as a human (although I'm not sure then how they explained away the miracles0 - but was still G_d. By experiencing creation from the inside - a bit like an inventor being able to see the world , and experience all 'senses', through his robot. To actually know what the circuits do, the day to day sensations - everything exactly as if he was that robot.
    The problem was at the point of Nicaea, various groups believed in Jesus in different ways - some saw him as human, so as a demi-god, some actually as a son of G_d...blah. So to sort out all the infighting (and the same reason why discussion about religion is vetoed in side a lodge) - the counsel was called to establish a 'tenet' - a way of believing in Jesus that could/would suit all - and be forced on those who didn't agree anyway.
    So the Trinity is no stumbling bloke to a Christian in Masonry, as AFAIK, the issue isn't raised (unless there's a Christian offshoot based on the NT)

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