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    Quote Originally Posted by pws111 View Post
    Read the book. It is on Amazon Kindle. Very cheap.

    The order was dissolved, but not all were captured. You think they just went off into the sunset and lived happily ever after, never once meeting again or discussing anything among themselves?

    Duncan said that his team started with the assumption that the legends were true and asked themselves where does it lead?. What are the legends? Read the Timeline in Maranatha again, but this time pay attention and ask yourself why did they include each date and event. Duncan did not just pick random stuff.
    No, I think that like any organisation that fails, people move into different areas. After wars soldiers just don't conti8nue by seting up further secret armies. They go back to their lives. The reason for the Templars was to secure the routes to the Holy Land - their reason for existing had come to an end anyway. Of course old comrades may have kept in touch and met - but again, it isn't today. № internet, no phones and travel was a long and laborious process - especially for an organisation that was as close to 'global' as theirs with their members coming from (noble) families all over Europe. If you then think that all Templars knew that they had the Ark - then I would despair. Surely if most templars even knew of its existance than the torture they went through (wasn't the bterm the 3rd degree coinede for the Templar torture methods allowed in Britain) would surely have got that out of them wouldn't it? They seems to have been accused and confessed to afew other things eh?

    I would guess that D put in the timeline to give the book (LRB) authenticity - like the bibliograpy - as I doubt that D read all the books in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hayward View Post
    So, the final question is this: Is the organization in its present state either a safe-house or a threat to the secret? What is more important? Reforming an organization potentially at the end of its turn, or for the sake of the reason that the organisation may have been created for in the first place?

    This is the appeal I am making in hopes that something might further be explained. And then maybe there is no need, and everything is safe.
    from my little knothole, I would say that Freemasonry is the protector, not a threat. The organization is a beautiful creation. It has been carefully crafted to protect a secret without the need for anyone to know the secret even exists or that they are playing a role in its preservation.

    The best analogy I can come up with is the medical communities double blind study. Neither the patient, nor the Doctor know who gets the real medicine. In masonry, neither the teacher, nor the student knows the secret they are sharing with each other.

    They have been taught to keep the symbols and rituals unchanged and if they break this rule, the secret could very well be lost. Having the rituals is not necessary to break the code, but it does help.

    In Maranatha, Duncan said the Key was designed so that it could be re-discovered or something to that effect. Don't have the exact phrase with me. Why design it to be found? I don't know, but the fact is they did do it that way.

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    hopefully right in the nick of time...... yet we shall see....

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    Quote Originally Posted by pws111 View Post
    from my little knothole, I would say that Freemasonry is the protector, not a threat. The organization is a beautiful creation. It has been carefully crafted to protect a secret without the need for anyone to know the secret even exists or that they are playing a role in its preservation.

    The best analogy I can come up with is the medical communities double blind study. Neither the patient, nor the Doctor know who gets the real medicine. In masonry, neither the teacher, nor the student knows the secret they are sharing with each other.

    They have been taught to keep the symbols and rituals unchanged and if they break this rule, the secret could very well be lost. Having the rituals is not necessary to break the code, but it does help.

    In Maranatha, Duncan said the Key was designed so that it could be re-discovered or something to that effect. Don't have the exact phrase with me. Why design it to be found? I don't know, but the fact is they did do it that way.
    I don't know, but based on the truth of this possibility, that it's members don't need to know what it is protecting, and based on some of what Duncan has spoken of recently about changes and cause for alarm at the changing of some wording of rituals recently, it seems that to protect the structure of the organization might actually be putting the secret at risk.

    Right now, it looks like he is in the midst of changing his site and the material that was up and I was going to reference here about these changes can't be accessed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hayward View Post
    I don't know, but based on the truth of this possibility, that it's members don't need to know what it is protecting, and based on some of what Duncan has spoken of recently about changes and cause for alarm at the changing of some wording of rituals recently, it seems that to protect the structure of the organization might actually be putting the secret at risk.

    Right now, it looks like he is in the midst of changing his site and the material that was up and I was going to reference here about these changes can't be accessed.
    Yes, I noticed that too about Duncan's site. Wonder what he has up his sleeve. I hope it gets interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hayward View Post
    I don't know, but based on the truth of this possibility, that it's members don't need to know what it is protecting, and based on some of what Duncan has spoken of recently about changes and cause for alarm at the changing of some wording of rituals recently, it seems that to protect the structure of the organization might actually be putting the secret at risk.
    One other point. Even though knowledge of the secret is not needed to pass it on, someone designed it that way. whoever designed it had to be a Mason and had to have some degree of authority. I will eventually get around to the proof, but for now just assume the following is correct for the sake of argument.

    First, there is no Mason in the traditional, known organization that is ever taught anything about the secret. They are given the encoded form int he rituals, but they are never fully explained. As America was being built there were Masons at almost every critical point, and we are talking about a time frame that is generations in the making. So, it stand to reason that one person or one small group of people who originally knew the secret and created the rituals could not possibly be the same individual or individuals hundred of year later who are continuing to build the encoded trail.

    So, here is the paradox. If no Mason is ever taught the secret, then how can they possibly continue building the trail over hundreds of years? The secret must be passed on in order to continue the work, and these people must know the secret, unlike the average Mason.

    There are not a lot of potential answers to this dilemma. The individuals building the Trail know the secret and almost all of them are known Masons. So, when do the Masons transition from not knowing, to knowing and then building?

    There has to be a higher level that nobody knows about and this higher level primarily recruits from the Freemason organization.

    When I start laying out the Trail, I will show you Masons who made critical decision, sometimes almost forcing unpopular decision to be made. These decisions were critical to making the Trail and clues work, so they had to know what they were doing. Yet the Masons will flat out deny any such connection.

    It is not the Masons doing it, but you have to be a Mason to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pws111 View Post
    from my little knothole, I would say that Freemasonry is the protector, not a threat. The organization is a beautiful creation. It has been carefully crafted to protect a secret without the need for anyone to know the secret even exists or that they are playing a role in its preservation.

    The best analogy I can come up with is the medical communities double blind study. Neither the patient, nor the Doctor know who gets the real medicine. In masonry, neither the teacher, nor the student knows the secret they are sharing with each other.

    They have been taught to keep the symbols and rituals unchanged and if they break this rule, the secret could very well be lost. Having the rituals is not necessary to break the code, but it does help.

    In Maranatha, Duncan said the Key was designed so that it could be re-discovered or something to that effect. Don't have the exact phrase with me. Why design it to be found? I don't know, but the fact is they did do it that way.
    But how can you protect something you don't know exists? How does that work exactly? Who has been taugfht to keep symbols etc? Have you spoken to Masons - have you read what D has said about Masonry changing? If you don't know what you're protecting, surely any arbitrary change over the years (which have occurred) could have destroyed the secret. How do you account for that? The rituals aren't unchanged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pws111 View Post
    One other point. Even though knowledge of the secret is not needed to pass it on, someone designed it that way. whoever designed it had to be a Mason and had to have some degree of authority. I will eventually get around to the proof, but for now just assume the following is correct for the sake of argument.

    First, there is no Mason in the traditional, known organization that is ever taught anything about the secret. They are given the encoded form int he rituals, but they are never fully explained. As America was being built there were Masons at almost every critical point, and we are talking about a time frame that is generations in the making. So, it stand to reason that one person or one small group of people who originally knew the secret and created the rituals could not possibly be the same individual or individuals hundred of year later who are continuing to build the encoded trail.

    So, here is the paradox. If no Mason is ever taught the secret, then how can they possibly continue building the trail over hundreds of years? The secret must be passed on in order to continue the work, and these people must know the secret, unlike the average Mason.

    There are not a lot of potential answers to this dilemma. The individuals building the Trail know the secret and almost all of them are known Masons. So, when do the Masons transition from not knowing, to knowing and then building?

    There has to be a higher level that nobody knows about and this higher level primarily recruits from the Freemason organization.

    When I start laying out the Trail, I will show you Masons who made critical decision, sometimes almost forcing unpopular decision to be made. These decisions were critical to making the Trail and clues work, so they had to know what they were doing. Yet the Masons will flat out deny any such connection.

    It is not the Masons doing it, but you have to be a Mason to know.
    Sorry - again though PWS - surely the changes only fit with what you perceive to be the answer - and given that what you percieve is still unproven than that just doesn't work does it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlockest View Post
    Sorry - again though PWS - surely the changes only fit with what you perceive to be the answer - and given that what you percieve is still unproven than that just doesn't work does it?
    The proof is on the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlockest View Post
    But how can you protect something you don't know exists? How does that work exactly? Who has been taugfht to keep symbols etc? Have you spoken to Masons - have you read what D has said about Masonry changing? If you don't know what you're protecting, surely any arbitrary change over the years (which have occurred) could have destroyed the secret. How do you account for that? The rituals aren't unchanged.
    When you draw the Square and Compass, you are protecting the secret it contains. As Duncan said in the parchment, simply join the missing dots.

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