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    Exactly. So I did the analysis you described, although I have now discovered that my account here has no posting or linking privileges yet. I tried to post it as text, but the columns shift so I'll have to ask you to visit this link on my blog to see the results: http://kryptosblog.com/wp-content/up...morsessai1.jpg


    In the left column, I have the assumed corrections we discussed. I included the questionable e in front of (corrected) digital. Interpretation is spelled out, also: What is your position. I double checked Monet's photos. Then after corrections I retranscribed to Morse. Then I ordered the fractions from farthest away from the lodestone to closest, forming 6 ranks with SOSRQ at the top and What is your position at the bottom.


    I was looking for 250 obviously, and I got it, sort of, with 252. I was somewhat disappointed to have the balance between the fraction halves break down a bit. But, by row, an interesting pattern emerged: the first fraction together is 15, next 35, next 45, 60, then two outliers in a row: 49 and 48.


    I spent awhile on Rumkin, Cryptii, etc, but no cigar. Actually, there was some stuff, but no Wow signal. When we get this right, there won't be any questions. At least in this part of the Morse, I think we will get the cliff notes on how to extract the duress codes from the book. Like "K1[stop]s=c[understood]". That way we will know to spell PalimpCest to extract the headpiece. But wishful thinking, that's what I went looking for and I don't think I found it.


    As usual, I found something though. I went to Monet's site (Monet's Kryptos Observations : On the Origins of Palimpsest : a theory on the acquisition of the K1 keyword) to get a better look at the actual copper, inspired by your notation of the ambiguity of certain dots and dashes. Interestingly, all fractions emerge from under another layer but one: virtually invisible, which is the only fraction that goes "in." I thought about maybe reversing the order on that row (I took the clue as indicating to follow the pattern of the others, and read it as emerging from, not going into the strata). It also just happens to be that string I described as weird-remember-30 chars and only 4 dashes to make a complicated word like eeeeeinvisible? The other way it's EFVISIBAIEEEEEE. Does that really make less sense? So that fraction is backwards, imho. I also noticed that there's never any real ambiguity dealing with things "going over the edge", but quite a bit "going under the slabs"


    Anyway, although I assure you that I remain in possession of my faculties, from this point forward I am risking my credibility.


    I believe it's "Interpret a Tit". Yep. We shouldn't correct it and I think it was intended to be complete, ending on t. That's the whole sentence, and he means these kind of tits people (.)(.) Maybe the bird species, but I can dream can't I? What better way to throw people off the scent than by using their prudish and unscientific biases against them. Carl Sagan famously chided the PTB for not depicting the female form on the Pioneer spacecraft with anatomical accuracy. "What's the big deal, we're scientists, the guy in the picture next to her has got his penis right there (goldmember!), and you're worried that an insinuation of a vulva is going to make the aliens squeamish? puhleeze." Or he said something like that.


    Yep, it dawned on me while were chopping up bits into different bitlengths, that we have been invited by Sanborn to look at the actual words in English, but alternatively spaced and interpreted. I think these are instructions as to how to orient the fractions properly. They're like cryptic crossword clues.


    I gave you Interpret a Tit. OK Pyramid shape, rounded. Right next to the Compass, Arrowhead strata pointing to courtyard. Martin Gardner famously criticized that name. It is far more likely that alien life will know nothing of arrows or their indicative significance, but quite possible that their sexual dimorphism will allow them to recognize it in us. As scientists, we should be embarrassed to not depict the human form accurately, so Sagan was right, even though they made him sound like a weirdo for it. Not the first time.


    So hear me out. I'll set you up with a joke so old, it'll get us in the mood.


    [overheard at a Grecian tailor]
    Hey, Eumenides?
    Why?, Euripides?


    (sorry...but you see what I mean. There are only 4 total words in that joke, and I could tell it with two if I was hanging out in the right company)


    So, how about:


    "L" you see I.D? $50 you mean. Why that's Ulysses S. Grant. No wonder I had that quote in my head. Tennyson's.


    Dig, et al? Hmm, Site, Plot, Excavation, de cryption? It's playing on dig in the archaeological sense, reflecting the Carter passage. Need help here.


    I have more, but I'm just getting off work (hah), and I'll post some very interesting material tonight after some mass quantities and beverage.

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    I have updated the link I gave above to show my latest edition of the morse, reflecting commentary and suggestions so far. It seems rational. I'm not altogether satisfied with the ordering of the fractions, but I'm sticking with the one that looks, well, pyramidish.

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    http://kryptosblog.com/wp-content/up...0.34.00-PM.png

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    Finally, rereading your post number 9, I agree that it is naive to assume uniformly 5 bits, when so much potential exists for information. There are quite a few triangles around. 5 squared gave us something, I wonder if maybe the pythagorean theorem suggests considering alternating bit lengths of 3 and 4 to symbolically connect the dots. Maybe 3,4, and 5? Back to work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by magicicada View Post
    Finally, rereading your post number 9, I agree that it is naive to assume uniformly 5 bits, when so much potential exists for information. There are quite a few triangles around. 5 squared gave us something, I wonder if maybe the pythagorean theorem suggests considering alternating bit lengths of 3 and 4 to symbolically connect the dots. Maybe 3,4, and 5? Back to work.
    Yeah, hold that thought. I'm desparately trying to keep up with your thought process. Just reading Monet's explanation of the morse palindromes that lead to K1's keyword. It's very well done, however I think it's overthinking the process.

    Keywords are typically condensed via removal of repeat letters. PALIMPSEST becomes PALIMSET. Monet's breakdown includes the E's in his extraction, fudges the redundancy of 3xP by using just 2xP and he makes a special exception for SOS. I think it might be better to exclude ALL E's and include the SOS.

    Wow, I'm looking at this much differently.

    EDIGETALEEE
    INTERPRETATIT
    TISYOUR
    POSITIONE
    EEVIRTUALLYE
    EEEEEEINVISIBLE
    EESHADOWEE
    FORCESEEEEE
    LUCIDEEE
    MEMORYE
    RQ
    SOS
    It's really 12 strings of morse, most of which are coupled so our minds may be comfortable with putting small phrases together, though I'm unsure why that is necessary.

    (remove all E's)
    DIGTAL
    INTRPRTATIT (RPR) (TAT) (TIT)
    TISYOUR
    POSITION (ITI)
    VIRTUALLY (LL)
    INVISIBL (ISI)
    SHADOW
    FORCS
    LUCID
    MMORY (MM)
    RQ
    SOS (SOS)

    PAITLSMO or PALIMSOT, 7/8 close to PALIMSET (PALIMpSEsT)

    Now we have a more pure notion of what's being hinted as an 8 letter keyword. I think the O is a place holder, an artifice for what the field agent is expected to recognize as the keyword discovery method. "Look for the SOS" (know that it means hiding the keyword in palindrome segments amidst the background noise of morse E's). Knowing this, the agent would take PAITLSMO, add back an E and drop the O.

    All lines but the RQ are intelligible phrases. R and Q are both adjacent letters and presented in the reverse. I expect this is to suggest there's a two step type of process that involves working backwards, or perhaps it is an indication that there's two keywords involved in the overall cipher. If there were three keywords involved, the line might read "TSR"...but then we'd think Sanborn was a fan of Dungeons and Dragons.
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    Oh, here ya go, the RQ may be hinting that there are two repetitions or RQ implies S__P, the next adjacent letters

    PALIMSET + RQ = PALIM_SE_T + P__S = PALIMPSEST.
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    I really think this is an improvement. I'm now wondering if the E-noise is a separate message in itself, because its relatively benign as a form of obfuscation, but there is something not so random about it.
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    By Jove, I think you've got it. Nice. I'm beginning to get a sense that the "other way" to derive it was discovered after the fact by the creators, but the only alterations that would preserve the intended path, and still give the passphrase to one possessing the key (in this case, look for the SOS), were to create those ambiguous e's we discussed earlier. They're not typos, but editions [additions?], which is why they are going over an edge or under the rocks. Anyway, nice work. Which were you thinking: Tactical, Studies, Rules, or D) all of the above?


    Your work has given me some ideas, which I want to just throw out there:


    re: SOS. I was reminded that the SOS actually does mean something...in French. (sortof)

    [For the benefit of anybody not familiar US Coast Guard regulations, in radio contact we always preface any kind of information about distress or hazards to navigation with phonetic alphabet codes, they are the modern equivalent of Morse prosigns. Their meaning in French has long become irrelevant. Securite, Securite, Securite is how you would hail on channel 16, say that you saw a big log floating around at the mouth of the channel, or if you had a barge under tow crossing a shipping lane. Pan, Pan, Pan, is an announcement of an urgent emergency that the captain feels is not a hazard to life and limb, but is serious and generally indicates a loss of ability to navigate: either malfunction, accident, or act of nature. Finally, as we all know, if you're going down, you hail Mayday, Mayday, Mayday, under which any vessel within range is required render immediate aid.]


    In order to designate the proper sequence of dits and dahs for a long special symbol, the standard practice is to list alphabetic characters which contain the same dits and dahs in the same order, with a bar atop the character sequence to indicate that there should not be any internal spaces in the transmission. (In International Morse Code, VTB, IJS, VGI, and SMB among others, would also correctly translate into the distress call sequence, but traditionally only SOS is used). Key codes, were adopted in 1917: TTT for Mayday, and XXX for securite. In addition, "see lonce" (silence in FR phonetically) is a reserved verbal alpha to makers of distress calls, and requires all transmitters off the emergency channel other than the vessel in distress and rescuers. There is no prosign for See lonce.


    Here is a real distress transmission: SOS SOS SOS de (this is) GBTT GBTT GBTT (call sign of the QE2 repeated 3 times) Queen Elizabeth 2 (name of ship) psn (position) 49.06.30 North, 04.30.20 West. Ship on fire, crew abandoning ship AR (end of transmission) K (invitation to reply).


    TL;DR: your first characters coming out from the Rocks on the SOS are TTT, not S. I assume that's what you meant by TSR. Have you determined that the YR invitation to transmit in Baudot and ITA2 CW telegraphy does not apply? And I have another possible hint for determining the character placements of the denominators, i.e.: the morse code with the line on top. Please clarify your SOS interpretation. I can demonstrate that TUT is another possibility.


    I like your idea of delinking the fractions, and as I suggested above, perhaps the denominators with the lines above tell us one thing, and the numerators have a different bit spacing altogether. Great masking agent.


    I also wanted to mention that we haven't seen any phonetic alphabet stuff. At center for the search for intelligent life, I would expect to see both Military and Greek phonetic alphabets, especially since we have induced a transition to verbal communication of radio. I'm ready.

    Wow. great post, thanks for pulling my wagon out of that rut. I'm a little concerned that my impressionist mammary rendering proposal may be sinking. Maybe it's "interpret at IT?" Damn. So disappointing.

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    It dawned that my mammary interpretation theory sinking is much like the Titanic, when after contacting such a shape on the water, also went down...Hmm. Iceberg? The Titanic transmitted its distress code in CQD, which is why they created the whole distress code thing anyway. Plenty of ships heard Titanic's distress call, but none were really certain enough as to whether Titanic was really in trouble. Some didn't even realize it was a distress code.

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    I'm sure there's a good joke somewhere in all this.

    My TSR comment is on the reverse alphabetic sequence. I'm weighing a couple different thoughts on this. Suppose we're playing charades and I want you to guess a three word phrase. I hold up three fingers. Most people are familiar with that tactic. Next I begin the sequential breakdown word by word. I'm not practiced in the art of charades, but I expect there's lots of etiquette and shorthand that people have developed to convey the essentials. I'm thinking Sanborn wants us to use RQ as a way of saying two words used in sequence. If instead we were given TSRQPO, I'd say we have 6 words or steps in our process.

    My other thought is that it's a way of implying bookends: S and P come before and after the string. I prefer this idea because it reminds me of what we come across as bookends to the string XCANYOUSEEANYTHINGQ, which in connection with the series of characters that may be considered "inert" to the overall message seemed to represent pieces to a hidden puzzle: 5x X's and 3x ?'s. The question is what could X X X X X ? ? ? (those are plaintext X's btw) in K2 and the X_________________Q at the end of K3 represent?

    I don't think we're done with the E's, but for the moment I am hesitating to continue translating any morse code. We've done that already. I'm very interested in understanding how ABSCISSA is determined. If it's anything like how PALIMPSEST was cleverly laid, I expect we're looking for a pattern that results in determining the five letters of the keyword: ABSCI, possibly altering one letter in the way the O took the place of an E in PALIMSOT. Do I recall Sanborn expressed his reason for using Morse in saying "It's simple"? BASIC is a nice anagram for ABSCI.
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