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    PALIMSOT = MAIL SPOT?

    Hope I'm not derailing the topic on morse too much. I appreciate the background knowledge on prosigns. It's worth exploring given the context of K2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by erexere View Post
    I'm sure there's a good joke somewhere in all this.
    "It's simple"? BASIC is a nice anagram for ABSCI.
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    Yeah. "I Misspelt" is pretty good for "itssimple" darn close to palimpsest too. I say relax about those meta's for now. They're windows, but we can't open them for awhile yet. We have to figure out 2 more K3's! First things first. This puzzle has a shortcut. That's what we're working on. KISS.

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    Thanks to the dialogue here with erexere, I'm happy to report that I've found something we should all take a look at. I think that we may be looking at the first plaintext from Kryptos in years.

    After this conversation five days ago, with my KISS comment, I began research into how so many super smart people could not be getting this. I not only went back to the morse, but back to the the very first thing you would encounter at the sculpture: the SOS. erexere and I commented about how, ironically, palimpsest precedes palindrome in the dictionary, and alas, recognized a lesson in that we have been told by Sanborn that we should have looked it up in the first place.

    In other work, not yet published here, I detected a connection between the sculpture and the Arecibo message, and did research into the notion of self decrypting messages using visual or super simple encoding. super simple. Like pig latin simple.

    So, erexere and I are noting thematic similarities in the Morse and K3. Nothing big. For some reason, my mind fixated on this idea that to be symmetrical, TUT would "equal" SOS. How could I do that? Well, S and T are sequential, so that's easy. And U is the next vowel after O. Hmm. Under this variant of the Caesar cipher, we are doing a one letter shift, but separately for consonants and vowels. It's that easy. Even a caveman could do it.

    For the first RQ, we go back one, and the next SOS we go forward.

    RQ=SP
    SOS=TUT
    I think what we have is a crossword clue. Spell TUT. I'll explain later. I'm just going to misspell/write this here: TUTANKAMUN

    next,
    LUCIDeeeMEMORYe becomes;
    MADOFNINUSZ oe when adding the "e"s in a symmetrical pattern eMADeOFNINeUSZe
    Oh I see how this works. Is the answer TJEFFERSON ?

    next,
    eeSHADOWeeFORCESeeeee
    eeTIEFUXeeeeGUSDITee
    At first, an apparent roadblock.
    Fellow musicians will recognize the first name. JJ FUX. The author of the worlds greatest work on counterpoint. Question: How shall we "tie counterpoint"? Perhaps we are to tie it into the theme. and it's a long word. COUNTERPOINT
    Next,
    what can we make of Gus D. IT? Nonsense unless you connect that to Gus D. Hunt, the former Chief Technology Officer at the CIA. that's another longish word. TECHNOLOGY.

    Ive got a feeling about this. Anyone care to join in?

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    Ooo. I have another. This one, unencrypted.

    Dig, et al? DECRYPTION

    Whee

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    I think the E in DIGETAL is completely accidental, but it sure does spark a lot of alternative ideas


    Reverse it for LATE G ID? As in "Identify a deceased G-man?"
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    OOOO. Nice. A two player game! As much as I liked Excavation, I could easily see your boy NATHANHALE fit in here. [slow clap] Well done. You're good. CAN YOU SEE ANYTHING else? (sorry, a little giddy. new discoveries are somewhat intoxicating)

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    Well, I think the Morse gives us several wonderful clues: E's are important, prosigns (SOS), reversal and (QR), balance between above and below (13 E's above and 13 below, assuming the E from DIGETAL is an accident), PALIMSOT from palindromes is keyword for K1.
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    That thing about PALIMPSEST and PALINDROME being adjacent dictionary words is very interesting. I giving some attention to the idea that BASIC is adjacent to BASIL. Basic is anagram of ABSCI which is a key derivative of ABSCISSA. The plant basil is mentioned as being thought to be an antidote for the poison of the legendary Basilisk. I'm curious if that relationship is being held together by the anagram of DYAHR as HYDRA, another legendary or mythical creature.
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    One of the things nagging my confidence is the symbolism of us investigating mythical creatures as a solution. It seems to run counter to the messages I'm receiving eslewhere about scientific method and the rejection of superstition and myth. I hate to be a wet blanket. I was stunned when in our correspondence I confused the Hydra and Ceberus: not something I would normally do, especially on this topic, where I'm fairly well-read. In several languages. I took it as a sign.

    I just woke up from an unexpected, 11 hour sleep. Normally I get only 5 or 6, but I was exhausted. I will present my observations here in the morning, on my first cup of coffee, with fresher eyes. Both DYAHR and BASIL have more mundane definitions.

    HYDRA was a code name at OSS and CIA. Rather than just clipping and posting it, please go to this wiki about Camp X, where the Hydra was located. Isn't this more likely to be our beast?

    Next, on the superscript letters, I can't help but see DAY and HR. I can create YR, but my brain really doesn't want to. My brain wants the YR at the Morse to be "year" So, with November, DAY and HR, how can we think of anything but Veterans Day, the palimpsest on the calendar for Armistice Day, November 11, 1918. The 11th hour, of the 11th month, on the 11th day. The end of the war to end all wars. I'm looking at your calendar now. Is it the X before Can you see anything?

    On to Basil. I agree, it is very easy to get to Basilisk. Hydra on the other side seems to reinforce it. Colossus is also hanging around. But as above, it is quite imaginative, really. And we have to use letters that arent really there. quite symbolic.

    Basel, Switzerland's 11th historical Canton is far more mundane, and instead of having to add more letters, we just have to misspell e vs i, which is infact the exact method that has worked on the rest of the Morse. The significance of Basel may have to do with its history as city with strong roots in Industry, Education, The Arts, and Commerce. The University of Basel (1460) had a few famous graduates. Erasmus, Bernoulli, Paracelcus, Euler, Burkhardt, Neitsche, and Barthe. The city is renowned for it's scientific societies, and as an international meeting place on neutral territory for diplomacy.

    So Euler's birthplace, huh? And the museums.

    "Constituting an essential component of Basel culture and cultural policy, the museums are the result of closely interwoven private and public collecting activities and promotion of arts and culture going back to the 16th century. The public museum collection was first created back in 1661 and represents the oldest public collection in continuous existence."

    -Tim

    [Off for a second cup of lucidity]

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    Good input.

    I like the Camp X Hydra idea. On one hand Hydra = telecommunication and code, and on the other it = venomous mythical creature.

    I'm not sure what to do with it all that would bring us in sight of K4. Need coffee. Repeat. Need coffee.
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