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    I just realized another COUNTERPOINT clue. TIE JJ FUX - I associated: COUNTERPOINT.


    Was there ever anybody at CIA with the first initials JJ, interested in poetry, who famously led COUNTERINTELLIGENCE.


    Did he ever say anything about a Wilderness of Mirrors?


    JJANGLETON may be ALLENDULLES reflection in the mirror.

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    Magicicada, lots of what I like to call "raw and juicy". I like how you're stacking the cupboards with lots of material. At some point its going to be there when we go looking for it. Its a challenge in itself sorting the ideas.

    I think that K0 is there when we need to look for a keyword to K1. K1 is there when we need to come up with the first 3 keyword letters for K2. K3 is there for?

    Then there's room for a 2nd or 3rd reason for K0, K1, or K2, depending on how far along we are in the process. Like all the E's and how they might be distributed in K0 may be a secondary application. The letter misspellings might be yet another application. Its all very comfy on some level.

    I'd like to think we have some traction with solving this but I really dont know. Im not in a huge hurry to solve anything, but I'll continue to look for your posts and and share anything that come to mind.
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    I'm beginning to think BASIL is too imaginative.

    My dictionary places the word ABSENCE two entries beyond ABSCISSA.
    Perhaps there's a dictionary version where it's the next entry after ABSCISSA. It could be that further dictionary navigation is needed for K4.

    The word HYDRANGEA follows HYDRA. Maybe Sanborn planted some hydrangea seeds on the CIA grounds.

    Maybe the DYAHR is to show us there's the possibility for more anagrammable letters to be found in K3. If only we knew where to look.
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    Yes, quite right. Vidi, Vici, et subito, Veni!


    1. Identify all possible hypotheses
    2. Make a list of significant evidence and arguments
    3. Prepare a matrix to analyze the "diagnosticity" of evidence
    4. Drawn tentative conclusions
    5. Refine the matrix
    6. Compare your personal conclusions about the relative likelihood of each hypothesis with the inconsistency scores
    7. Report your conclusions
    8. Identify indicators


    So, here's where I think I stand on pretty solid ground. To entice you for a visit, I'll dangle a cliff-hanger: your beloved Hydra ain't dead yet erexere! But we'll have to wait to see which head comes off.


    The key realization when exploring this theory is that. apparently referencing Caesar, we use a special alphabet: I=J, V=U and no W or Z. 22 letters, 5 vowels. When a W is needed, two V’s may replace it, but they are no longer vowels, (and thus decode to TVX, not OVA) Using this simple cipher we will uncover cleverly hidden clues, the answers to which will use to populate another word game.


    Here’s how we play: farthest from the lodestone, SOS is the “first thing you see” when you advance towards the NHB entrance. Next, and seemingly paired with it is RQ. In addition to SOSRQ, we have LUCIDMEMORY, SHADOW FORCES and VIRTUALLY INVISIBLE on the same rock strata.
    R I R Q P
    S O S R Q
    T U T S R
    You can see that above and below all the letters, I placed the letter preceding above, and the following letter below. Consonants and vowels are done separately, and a quick look above will show the pattern. In fact, this pairing is designed to show us how the game works. I believe that both the upper and lower texts hold “questions”. For example, by altering the spacing on the letters, and adding a question mark at the end, we get Tut Sr.? on the bottom. If K3 were not about Carter, I might have let this slide as nonsense. However, if I saw it in the Sunday Times crossword as a clue, I would instantly recall the thrice great pharaoh Akhenaten (AmenhotepIV). who was Tutankhaten’s biological father. Tut later changed his name, but I digress…Quite a bit to pull out of SOSRQ, especially considering PQR IR? is another possible question above it. At this stage, the next message is LUCID MEMORY, so let’s see if we can get anything from there to make these observations seem less far out. Transcribing (we now have e padding to contend with) we get:
    K O B E C A A A L A L I T X A
    L U C I D E E E M E M O R Y E
    M A D O F I I I N I N U S A I
    At least for the lower, it seems as if the actual message is missing e’s, and the “extraness” of the padding suggests we are to use it to complete a grammatically correct sentence. MADE OF II NINE USA seems to be indicated. The key is that the e’s are replaced into the text symmetrically: the e we needed to complete MADE, the 4th character, is reflected by the e for NINE, the 4th in from the end. There is an odd number of letters overall with 15, so the logical place to put the remaining e’s is the center. It is possible, since we are using a modified Roman alphabet, that they represent the number 2. This clue is trickier. Without the padding, it decrypts precisely to MADOFNINUSA. Lacking the implied spacing, the clue is MADE OF NI(CKLE) N USA? Immediately, with the US 5 cent coin in mind, we think: Jefferson. Alternatively, MADE OF 29 USA? Sketchy, but maybe leap year? If I really squint I can hear a canuck say “made of 29 e’s eh?” Hoser. Thankfully, we are saved from further humorous speculation by the observation that NI IN seems to form a central palindrome. There being 15 letters, we need a single central character, not 2. Thus MADEOFNINUSAIII, i.e.: “made of nickel, the USA’s 3rd president: Thomas Jefferson.
    Next, Shadow Forces:
    A A R G U C I T T A A D I Q B A R A A A A A
    E E S H A D O V V E E F O R C E S E E E E E
    I I T K E F U X X I I G U S D I T I I I I I

    22 characters, and to my untrained eye it seems to say “TaKE FUX X GUS.D IT. Another one of these things that seems on the edge of rationality, unless there weren’t already clues around suggesting them. In this case, it is a word game where we are going to take two 11 letter words, and put them together in the middle “point” get it? The first term, is intended to signify JJ Fux, author of the greatest work (written in Latin) on COUNTERPOINT in musical theory. The second term reads Gus D. IT? I believe this refers to Gus D. Hunt, former CTO, to the CIO, at the CIA. INTELLIGENCE
    Somehow, I think it comes out to be “COUNTERINTELLIGENCE”.


    I’m taking a needed break.

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    I really like the way you're pulling focus on the SOSRQ. I think we have to continue working with that morse.

    I really think the best reason for having a clue about Hydra is to prepare us for a bifid type cipher.
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    64-69 is a suppose to be a 1:1 for Berlin. I think that's misleading, because that doesnt mean you arent combining each of those letters with six additional letters to complete the bifid result of BERLIN.
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    Maybe something like this, OLIFBB is directly above NYPVTT, so the bifid will use ON = B, LY = E, IP = R, FV = L, BB = I, BB = B.

    ?OBKRUOXOGHULBSOLIFBBWFLRVQQPRNGKSSOTWTQSJQSSEKZZ
    WATJKLUDIAWINFBNYPVTTMZFPKWGDKZXTJCDIGKUHUAUEKCAR
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    No, not Bifid. It was a thought, but I don't know off-hand what kind of cipher takes one letter of pt and produces two letters of ct. Gonna have to think on that some more.

    Back to my theory that involves using a calendar, I have a new development.

    Recap on the method:
    Row 1 = December, Row 2 = November, etc.
    Column 1 = 1st day of the month, Column 2 = 2nd day, etc.
    Wrap the text according to however many days are in each month.

    K1's Q is found in the Nov. 26th position.
    K2's U is found in the Sept. 22nd position.

    Note that K3 is a collection of sentences based on a journal from Nov. 26th. This suggests the calendar idea is feasible.

    When I consider the final words of K2's message: LAYER TWO, I think it may mean to layer K1 and K2 onto K3, transcribe all three according to a calendar and consider the where the positions K1's Q and K2's U land on K3.

    K1's Q = R from K3's CORNER
    K2's U = D from K3's EMERGED

    Maybe the words CORNER and EMERGED play a special role in K4.
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    Maybe the adjacent words found in the dictionary apply?

    Cornea
    Corner
    Cornerstone

    Emerald
    Emerge
    Emergency
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    Great stuff. I believe it was "playfair" that you might have been thinking of, in which we would encode each plaintext letter with a bigram, which locates that letter within a 25 cell square. Bifid makes my head hurt. Math is hard. I'm just an artist. Who do I sound like? This is the guy we're after. We'll come back...

    Its nice to see bookings coming along in the calendar, especially around Veteran's day. I just want to throw this into your boat: I think the lack of symmetry of having each month be actual length would somehow mess with Sanborn. I know it would mess with me. There are almost exactly 13 lunar months of 28 days in a year, and 13 x 28 = 52 x 7 = 364.

    Your observation above is startlingly good. I detect, as we expected from the start, a reflection of the same game we played in the Morse. Gives me an idea with SEE THE LITTLE BREACH OF PASSAGE CORNER IN WEST and...Did you get a chance to check out that blog post I told you about?

    I need help with my Morse wrap-up of the mummy daddy.

    I managed to get past the first trip up: that the morse needs to be read and interpreted in the opposite direction from all the others. I want you expert eyes because this is the biggie and it's hard. First, just the characters that weren't e's.

    A D T E R E X U E
    E F V I S I B A I
    I G X O T O C E O

    and

    P D D M C S R E Y
    Q F F N D T R I B
    R G G P F V S O C

    on the upper trigram, bottom row, I think I see "eX GI TO CEO"

    You should be abel to get two or three. is it DONOVAN?

    Was anybody famously CEO of E-Systems who was an ex-GI. actually, let me rephrase that, besides Inman, Raborn, and Peter Moreno. CEO in 1989 was E.Gene Keiffer, former Marine.

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