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    After going half-blind messing around with different ways to spin this mental block, different characters, numerical bases, moduli, etc., I think I have something a bit new to add. So far, I think 2 key observations have been made about the Morse Code, but both call attention to the ambiguity of direction and grouping of the letters that make any attempts lose traction quickly against entropy and uncertainty.
    1. by identifying the "mirror" characters which consist of palindrome letter sequences (i.e.:using the letters) one can anagram "palimpsest".
    2. Abscissa can be produced as an acrostic in the PT, by following a pattern of letter order: 1st letter, 6th, 1st, 4th, etc. in the decrypted words when they are layered in a particular order.
    In their own way, both are a "force", which is a term in magic in which you present the observer with the illusion of having exerted their free will, when in fact you have preselected the card, or number, or code.


    In order to derive any meaning at all from the Morse, it models the process of cognition, in which we force, or project a context onto the data, which gives rise to pattern recognition, abstract reasoning, etc...


    But did we go too far? Occam's Razor. What about the dits and dots? and E?
    (I'm at work, but I will show you guys what I mean by digital interpretation, as soon as I get home)


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    I really appreciate this perspective. There's no denying the Morse feed. The question of why each piece of information is available and to what purpose is itself a piece of this puzzle. If I understand you correctly, the "force", however elaborate, is really what we call a red herring.

    I don't know about previous years, but as far as I can tell the Kryptos yahoo group has been humming with activity in the past year with and many perspectives, all very interesting. Looking forwards to your next posts magicicada.
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    Thank You erexere.

    Anyway, being a new user, I can't edit anything, so I'm just going to continue here. I'll begin by saying I'm an avid puzzler, and I believe that if we were to get any information from the artist as to what context, out of the myriad available, from which we might force onto the data to extract the intended plaintext, it has to be suggested in the Morse slabs. I'm not going to say I've worn out every path in terms of thinking of the morse as mod26 alpha, but well, I don't see much elsewhere either. The problem is the ambiguity of what is there; from every perspective.

    What is there? Personally I'm getting a little older, so I converted the morse to 1's and 0's to see better. Also, I wanted to investigate Bacon, Ascii, Baudot, and other telegraphic systems. But even that is going to far- I'm just telling you what I did. Step one was this: no values whatsoever, I'm just going to count.

    000001000101001010100010010110 000000001000010000000100001000
    30 30
    1000011001010100000 001010010011001001011001
    19 24
    0000000000110011101100 00101110101010000000000
    22 23
    0100001101000100000 1101111101010110
    19 16
    1000001011111001010 01101110000010011110
    19 20
    000111000 0101101
    9 7
    118 120

    Sorry about posting this up in text form. I'm copying over from paper. Dits and dashes don't cut it with pencil and paper, and it's too easy to lose count when you are trying to go fast. That's "digetal interpretatit" on top, and on the bottom row you can see it starts out SOS on the left and RQ on the right. I stuck with the "standard" sequencing. The number of 0's or 1's for each side is tallied below, and below all, the sums for both sides. There's no interpretation of what is or is not a character: it it's cut on the slab, it's here, I hope. Any editor's eyes would be most welcome, if unlike Sanborn, I've actually made a transcription error.

    Kinda jumps right out at you, doesn't it? I was already planning to break up the strings into base 2 mod 5 for my investigations. There is a curious symmetry in the number of digits by line, by side. Am I the only one? If I found this in something like the Voynich I would have had Friedman himself invite me down to his office to chat with him and the Brig. When we thought about it in terms of characters it hid the fact that it is almost perfectly symmetrical by side looking at the symbolic unit alone, and by extension, both the sides, and the row totals gravitate around multiples of 5. And there's e's everywhere. Mod 5. He practically bludgeoning us with it. Penn and Teller would tell you, here comes the force.

    The imagination runs wild! ZOMG! it's ITA2, it's Binary, ASCII, Gray, Hell, [insert complicated cipher of choice here], etc. Hold on there, skippy. My dad had a paraphrase of Occam's Razor, that I hear out of the right side of brain at times like these: when you hoofbeats, don't think Zebras, or Unicorns. It's most likely horses.

    I wish I could have remembered that sage advice before I translated that string up there about 50 different ways, in every language. Then, ignoring the published labors of no less than K-fan, who tried this a few years ago and gave up (quite convincingly I might add- nobody faults him for lack of thoroughness or attention to detail), I XOR'd everything, set up symmetrical parity bits. Yep. I fell for it like an egg from a tall chicken. That's another of Dad's faves.

    What's the first thing you'd read on the slab walking up the parking lot, on your way to the NHB entrance in the back? You know, where the sculpture is? Let's say you're facing the building, you are just arriving. Yep. SOS. A Morse prosign. A funny one: 9 bits. The only one like it. Made that way so that on 5 bit telegraphy, there's no way you can miss it, or confuse it for a letter or a number. All other prosigns and numbers in Morse are 5 bits, specifically to avoid confusion about parity or uneven bit lengths. Letters can be from 1 to 4 bits, based on letter frequency. Although economical back in the days of double digit bandwidth, this is a fundamental ambiguity which characterizes morse code alpha character messages. Without spacing, you got nothing. Bupkis. But...

    Can you see anything?

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    "Can you see anything?" is presented in the context of looking into a breech of a tomb. Are you saying it might serve better to think of it as looking for a visual distress signal, such as a flare or smoke signal?
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    Although I was just trying to be cute employing that enigmatic phrase, you are incredibly perceptive, because I think I may have got a peek into an approach into a K3 duress code when I was fooling around with XORing 5 bit symmetrical strings, along with the proposed duress code interpretation of the Morse-which is really what I was talking about in my last post. K0 and K3 both remain unresolved as to alternate readings, so, we may get lucky and have them be related. It involves the same as approach as I am describing, but using binary keyed off the superscript letters. I'll talk about my findings there later. They're fresh, and I need time...

    I'm so glad to have joined here. Who knows how many times I've brushed up against the right answers, invisible to my perspective, though plainly visible to somebody on the outside looking in? The great advantage that humanity has in the race against the singularity is that we can accomplish as teams, what individuals cannot. That includes computers, which even networked, are essentially replications of a single mind: that of the operating language and communications protocol. Parallel to Godel and later, Lucas, humans can always conceive a context in which 2 + 3 = 8, via binary for example, a statement that may be true, but cannot be proved within the context of a fixed mathematical "box" by a computer. In the sheer insanity of the group mind, there is genius.

    Somebody has to go first and speak up, at the risk of somebody else stealing it and beating them to the gold brick finish line. It's a Zen thing. It is an anti-achievement, attainable to those who have eliminated desire for recognition of achievement. Much like Isaiah Berlin's notion of negative liberty; but I digress...I've tried through my blog to express these ideas, but there is an inherent contradiction in championing cooperation through a one way medium like writing, or sculpture or poetry...So here I am. I know only that I don't have the answer.

    Anyway, the Morse.

    Just on pure observation, we have 6 groupings of symbolic units, When interpreted as Morse, the groupings are separated by a line, and for each "fraction", in order to produce cogent text, the numerator and denominator strings must choose a direction. On the first rock, with the SOS, the fractions read facing the NHB. On the other with the compass and the lodestone, they read facing north, away from the NHB. In my opinion, the traditional sequencing of words is right, taken from the the perspective at which they produced cogent Morse. I think Lucid, goes with Memory, for example. There remains an open issue as to what order they should be in as fractions, though.

    My feelings are divided right now between think of them as fractions starting with SOS/RQ and terminating at the lodestone in reverse proximity order, or as starting at SOS going along the "tops", turning around at the lodestone, and backwards on the bottoms back to RQ|YR (if you catch my drift there- around the horn- quite possibly a circularity hint implied by the compass).

    In the traditionally considered first fraction: DIGETALEEE|INTERPRETATIT, we have exactly 30 units per side of Morse thingees for a total of 60. Notice that INTERPRETATIT is defined by 4 dashes and 26 dits. Weird. It must have been a heck of a word to try to pick out back in the old days on continuous wave transmission and headphones. In terms of 1's and 0's it looks like this:

    000001000101001010100010010110 000000001000010000000100001000.

    Lets go over to Rumkin, and look at it. Here. All the Morse fractions are available for pre-population.

    Put Digetal Interpretatit in first. Take out the spaces, and arrange it so you have groups of 5.

    Golly!

    I pasted the output from mine here:
    [Wait] [Starting signal]5
    X
    How refreshing to actually read something in the text box of that site that is actually legible. Not using any characters to boot! Worth a look, right? I went pretty far down the Bilteral Cipher route with this, and between forcing a 5 bit structure on the morse to see if prosigns could themselves constitute a message, and using the Bacon cipher on the other way around the lodestone, I have some goodies for you. But balance in all things. Not a cliff hanger here, but it's been a long day, and fingers and brain are in shutdown mode.

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    Hey, great post, fyi I don't want to pretend I know more than I really do. I'm just getting acquainted with the morse or K0 portion of the puzzle. In looking closely at the photos of the copper plate my eye caught what looks like a dot preceding the "digetaleee", so maybe its intended to be "eDIGETALeee", giving it a dit-dot total of 20? Also, I think the E in digEtal looks like its spacing is off and it might be an actual artist error where ".." was intended but the preceding "G" ended with a "." , which may have confused Jim Sanborn in the tedious process in thinking the ". ." Was the ".." of an "I", meaning we should treat it as "DIGITAL". I expect Im not the first person to point this out.

    I like the thought of removing spaces and rereading portions of the morse. I expect it to be choppy bits of information relying on the well placed "e"s to create a series of 1, 2 or 3 letter combos, further fragmented by the locations of each morse fraction.

    This is exciting. Looking forward to more of your musings. Hope others join in the conversation.
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    Perfect. I want to investigate that "e", but uniquely, it is "half on/half off". We may need that flexibility. Notice so far, the multiple references to "250". GSA $250K. We have nearly 5 cubed on either side, taken together for 250. The compass, at face value, is pointing 250 degrees WSW. If we correct the spelling i.e.: Interpretation, What is your position {RQ maybe}, Digital, and perhaps the last RQ should be YR, then convert the corrections back to Morse, we may achieve a perfect alignment that an artist would want to convey. We should be targeting 250 total for 125 a side. We can find a bunch of messages in it if we align it right, and investigate both matrix and stream approaches.

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    My humorous reaction to what you just wrote: I'm drinking beer.

    I like the reservation on the digetal dot's half on/off. I've never observed the 250 value, but if the artist's idea is to push the value through a variety of hints including the compass pointing to that relative position, then I'm intrigued. I see that 5 cubed factors into it, but the why of it all isn't at all clear to me at the moment. Perhaps my unbeered mind will relate better in the morning.
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    (Bad hangover).

    Magicicada, I feel your confidence in how the puzzle may have been designed. What of the word INTERPRETATIT? Should we treat it as an implied -ION ending? If certain components of K0-K4 have been tailored to have errors, is this Sanborn's way of distracting us? I wonder what the code would look like if we corrected all the errors or would that dry up any leads that are found only in those errors?
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    on the E's, they're generally set up to be before and after each word. I wonder what it means.

    a WORD is made up of a certain number and variety of letters. Planting the word in a special context where it's position is shifted or giving rise to a number of possible transformations for the first or last letter of the WORD as it merges with added bits such as EEEEWORD or EEWORDE or EWORDEEE could produce some interesting results. Let's see,

    Morse for the first letter of WORD (using the generic E and 0 = "." and 1 = "-" for simplicity) is W = 011
    Depending on the target desired, one, two, or three bits may be used. It wouldn't make much sense to use just the first bit, since EEEW would be 0000, or "blank".
    E01 = U
    E011 = "no result"
    EE01 = V
    EE011 = 3
    EEE01 = 4

    I suppose the alterations could work further into the word as long as there's some possibility of forming a new letter by manipulating the morse string, such as using the next letter along WO gives 011 111, by adding an E we could be looking at 00111 = 2.

    Also, he doesn't have to use all of the E's. There are six E's preceding INVISIBLE, making it superfluous or arbitrary, but up to 2 of the E's could be important if the target were the morse for 4 (EE001) since I is 00 and N is 10.

    I'd like to work on this more and see if I can pull anything out with this technique.
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