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    Default Zodiac Cipher Reward

    There a few ciphers that are unsolved done by the Zodiac. If by some chance you do solve it you could sell the solve for :

    $25,000.00 to $100,000,000 +

    What media source would not want to be the first to release this? So a massive bidding war would take place to be the first. They are willing to pay alot of money for firsts in pictures. Why not this cipher?

    The solve will be as clear as day. You will know that you have the solve or not. There are programs on the net to help you break the cipher.



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    I have taken his "symbol cipher" and turned it into a "letter cipher" This will help in breaking this cipher.

    The most common symbol was given the letter A and has porgressed to Z. He uses alot of symbols only twice or once in order to throw off code breakers. These symbols where given a ? which can be any letter number etc.



    Decoded ciphertext:

    ? ? j ? c o x w ? ? g ? v ? u i ? ? c a b n ? f ? ? t ? s r q m ? ? b ? ? e l a ? ? u t n ? v ? h ? ? ? c c ? x o ? q w ? c f a a j m i ? ? l a h ? ? ? g k d ? a ? p ? ? c ? j x d o f z q ? y ? d ? i ? n ? k a m ? ? ? i ? e ? u w s h v g n u i ? ? ? ? f a ? ? ? h a ? v ? ? r l a ? a ? j i d b e ? ? ? p m z h o ? w a x ? a f c ? r d b ? z ? a j ? k ? ? g ? ? b c ? ? l m f i r e o j ? g q k ? p l s a ? b d h ? ? ? ? ? a ? g k d b e n ? ? j o u d ? x ? k i p ? s e w p ? a a ? b ? ? q ? p ? y ? ? w ? ? k z a g e s ? h b m n f c x s ? l ? u i j e ? a v ? ? y r a d o t b g ? v a a ? t y h t e ? f ? ? ? ? n ? c g d ? ? t r ? ? b ? ? f b q z y e ? l ? ? ? c ? ? h ? f ? ? g m ? a


    A cipher of this nature would take some time to break BUT there is a payoff

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    hey Patrick,

    I have played with the Zodiac Cipher on and off for some time.. Starting with the first one that has been reported as solved...

    I question this assertion... Looking at the first cipher... and the alphabet/symbols relationship..

    A couple of the symbols cross over to other letters... and more than a few have multiple symbols... look below..

    a=4 b=1 c=1 d=2 e=7 f=2 g=1 h=2 i=4 j=0 k=1 l=3 m=4 n=4 p=1 q=o r=3 s=4 t=4 u=1 v=1 w=1 x=1 y=1 z=0

    Reused symbols

    a and s

    I find this to be a bit strange... it makes little sense to add multiple symbols to the most common letters and then not also apply that same technique to the least common letters..

    It is also conceivable that the symbols for the letters H and N from the first cipher the circles with a vertical and horizontal lines are combined to form the symbol for the letter D symbol but in fact could be used for the letter V numeric value 22... H+N 8+14=22=V for later ciphers... there are in fact several symbols used that could in fact be blends...

    I also noticed from cipher..mailed July 31, 1969.. first line..

    E I HAVE KILLED WILL B

    the first letter E (symbol N) represents the number 5 and is consistent with the first cipher.. and establishes the Zodiac willingness to use numeric values...

    This is also consistent with his attempted killing of 4 people through July.. one survived.. leaving 3 confirmed dead.. if in fact there were 2 additional murders the police and FBI never credited Zodiac with... which is very possible...

    we know Zodiac has taken credit for far more killings than the evidence suggests.. and it stands to reason that Zodiac's counts can in fact be more accurate than those linked only by the physical evidence...

    So again I return the the letter E starting off the first line of the July 31st cipher..

    "5 I have killed will b"

    I am currently playing with the combined symbol idea... for instance...

    the last several symbols from the July 31 cipher tend to spell nothing... 17 symbols approx..

    but looking at the forth symbol in this section.. the backwards R.. this could easily be a combined symbol of the letters E and K 5+11=16=P

    Or this whole sequence could in fact be numeric... in that the 2nd and 10th symbols are in fact the letter E that represents the letter E based on the Key from the first cipher...

    This again makes little sense to me...

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    So again I return the the letter E starting off the first line of the July 31st cipher..

    "5 I have killed will b"

    though the letter E starting this section of the 3 part 1st cipher joins part 2.. the phrasing is a bit strange.... and seems to indicate a missing section...

    last line part 2 ending with TH..

    N PARADICE NND ALL TH

    first line part 3

    E I HAVE KILLED WILL B

    combine sentence...

    N PARADICE NND ALL (TH E) I HAVE KILLED WILL BE

    All the I have killed??????

    All the what???? something truly odd here...

    as for the 340 Cipher..

    based on my counts... Zodiac added an additional 18 symbols as best I can tell..

    just to show a few..

    < > . - C l

    as well as variations on the semi filled Cirlces, Squares and new Dotted Triangle, Dotted cap I, a new backwards letter y, a filled Circle with a horizontal bisecting line, and 2 variations on the Zodiac symbol...

    this added to the original 3 part first cipher adds up to approx. 73 unique symbols..

    of which we still have the A and S switching...


    This additional count does not include the odd Circle Symbol found in the "My Name Is" Cipher...or the Omega symbol found in the "Button Letter" Cipher.. they appear to be absent in the 340 Cipher..

    I can't help think that the use of multiple symbols per letter and the additional symbols added could possibly indicate a multi key solve ... and the use of correct letters as well...

    The start word HER... using original key would decode to TEG,,,, and yet it might actually be meant as HER....

    Something else that has bothered me... of the first three lines... each line is in fact unique.. not containing a single duplicate symbol per line... Line 4 is the first line to contain a duplicate.. the 99 in the 2nd and 3rd positions..also seen once more.. and the ++ symbols in the 13th and 14th positions...

    this just seems a bit strange from purely a visual aspect... of course the logical solve would be from Left to Right, and no evidence supports another technique... but it may be reasonable to accept that the Cipher is possibly aligned in another fashion, other than rows in the classic format... just thinking out loud....

    anyway.. I continue on... with little hope of success....

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    Well you sure did beat the snout out that Seattle puzzle

    A cipher of this nature would take some time BUT there has to be some type of payoff and some fame.

    There is a really nice program on the net that can help you with the cipher:

    http://oranchak.com/zodiac/webtoy/

    Again where talking alot of hard work but hey work has its rewards

    A serial killer creates and substains his own mythology.

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    This is the 408 cipher that was broken. He might use some of the words in the 340 cipher



    Those last 18 digits were never solved. IMO opinion it adds up to 666. 18 split into 3 parts 6 6 6

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    hey Patrick,

    not sure I would agree with the 666 idea... this concept is more accurately exploited from pop culture.. The Omen.. 1976... long after these letters were sent.. Though I would guess it is possible.. however.. and from a pure argumentative point of view.. Zodiac appears less educated based simply on his writing style..

    And I am sure this is also debatable.. and could in fact be a ploy on Zodiac's part to keep an identity hidden.. and still I find it a compelling fact of human nature, that the more one tries to conceal something the more they reveal themselves to that fact..

    Zodiac consistently makes the same errors.. something we all do as a result of our learning process...

    That said... the 340 Cipher with its additional symbols does not decode using the original Key... a key that has also been shown to contain mistakes.. mistakes also found in the plain text letters attributed to Zodiac...

    This could indicate a shift, or multiple shifts.. or a complete reassigning of the symbols..

    Either way.. its fun to play with it...

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