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    Default In One

    I am aware of the anomaly of "In One" not being included in one version of the track listings. Given its unusual name, the song seems like a logical choice of some kind of message or code. But I can find no such thing.
    There are many ways to encode a simple message into an instrumental song, if, for example, one wanted to convey the code "6 2 7 1 1 3 4 1 5 2", which would then translate into something meaningful. One could have different sections whose instrumentation varied from 6 instruments to 2 to 7 to 1, etc. One could write a melody (or a prominent passage played by a backround instrument) with the tonal scale degrees "6 2 7 1 1 3..." etc., or alter the register in a similar way (there are just over 7 octaves on a piano, so those could betray an order), or one could use chords typically referred to in Tonal Western Music language by those Roman numerals (a vi chord, ii chord, diminished vii chord, I, I, iii, etc.) Duration of notes could also be used, especially if the composer had intentionally chosen 7 exact lengths of notes, but they largely did not conform to durations typical of the meter. Using more advanced 20th century music techniques, one could count semitonal intervals or timbre ranges, or there could be a spectrum from low EQ to high EQ in the mix in some sections.
    If the above loses you, don't worry--"In One" contains none of these things, nor anything else atypical of a generic instrumental ballad. The melody is repetitive and not indicative of new aspects of a code. And it expresses itself in an expository beginning, bridge, and legitimately prepared ending, which leads me to conclude that the track time of the song is also not a part of a code (unless they recorded the song first and then used the track listing after determining how long the recording had happened to take).
    So, given the evident absense of any message in the music, what do people think is going on with this song? Why the title "In One"? Why an instrumental piece of filler in the approximate aural center of the album?

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    MillT - I'm glad you expressed what I have been thinking but do not have the musical background. All I know is that for some reason, this song bothers me because it has no lyrics, and no apparent morse code or anything - so why is it included? Maybe the perfect red herring???

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    Quote Originally Posted by MillTycoon View Post
    I am aware of the anomaly of "In One" not being included in one version of the track listings. Given its unusual name, the song seems like a logical choice of some kind of message or code. But I can find no such thing.
    There are many ways to encode a simple message into an instrumental song, if, for example, one wanted to convey the code "6 2 7 1 1 3 4 1 5 2", which would then translate into something meaningful. One could have different sections whose instrumentation varied from 6 instruments to 2 to 7 to 1, etc. One could write a melody (or a prominent passage played by a backround instrument) with the tonal scale degrees "6 2 7 1 1 3..." etc., or alter the register in a similar way (there are just over 7 octaves on a piano, so those could betray an order), or one could use chords typically referred to in Tonal Western Music language by those Roman numerals (a vi chord, ii chord, diminished vii chord, I, I, iii, etc.) Duration of notes could also be used, especially if the composer had intentionally chosen 7 exact lengths of notes, but they largely did not conform to durations typical of the meter. Using more advanced 20th century music techniques, one could count semitonal intervals or timbre ranges, or there could be a spectrum from low EQ to high EQ in the mix in some sections.
    If the above loses you, don't worry--"In One" contains none of these things, nor anything else atypical of a generic instrumental ballad. The melody is repetitive and not indicative of new aspects of a code. And it expresses itself in an expository beginning, bridge, and legitimately prepared ending, which leads me to conclude that the track time of the song is also not a part of a code (unless they recorded the song first and then used the track listing after determining how long the recording had happened to take).
    So, given the evident absense of any message in the music, what do people think is going on with this song? Why the title "In One"? Why an instrumental piece of filler in the approximate aural center of the album?

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    Great analysis, MillTycoon! If there is no hidden message in the song, maybe it's the title that's important.

    CZ

    Quote Originally Posted by stvwz View Post
    MillT - I'm glad you expressed what I have been thinking but do not have the musical background. All I know is that for some reason, this song bothers me because it has no lyrics, and no apparent morse code or anything - so why is it included? Maybe the perfect red herring???

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    Quote Originally Posted by MillTycoon View Post
    I am aware of the anomaly of "In One" not being included in one version of the track listings. Given its unusual name, the song seems like a logical choice of some kind of message or code. But I can find no such thing.
    There are many ways to encode a simple message into an instrumental song, if, for example, one wanted to convey the code "6 2 7 1 1 3 4 1 5 2", which would then translate into something meaningful. One could have different sections whose instrumentation varied from 6 instruments to 2 to 7 to 1, etc. One could write a melody (or a prominent passage played by a backround instrument) with the tonal scale degrees "6 2 7 1 1 3..." etc., or alter the register in a similar way (there are just over 7 octaves on a piano, so those could betray an order), or one could use chords typically referred to in Tonal Western Music language by those Roman numerals (a vi chord, ii chord, diminished vii chord, I, I, iii, etc.) Duration of notes could also be used, especially if the composer had intentionally chosen 7 exact lengths of notes, but they largely did not conform to durations typical of the meter. Using more advanced 20th century music techniques, one could count semitonal intervals or timbre ranges, or there could be a spectrum from low EQ to high EQ in the mix in some sections.
    If the above loses you, don't worry--"In One" contains none of these things, nor anything else atypical of a generic instrumental ballad. The melody is repetitive and not indicative of new aspects of a code. And it expresses itself in an expository beginning, bridge, and legitimately prepared ending, which leads me to conclude that the track time of the song is also not a part of a code (unless they recorded the song first and then used the track listing after determining how long the recording had happened to take).
    So, given the evident absense of any message in the music, what do people think is going on with this song? Why the title "In One"? Why an instrumental piece of filler in the approximate aural center of the album?

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    There is one music-lexicon reference to "In One" that i can think of. Again, it doesn't in any way apply here.
    It is the practice of a conductor taking all or a passage of a song in (usually) a 2/4, 3/4 or 2/2 meter and conducting it by only demarking the downbeats (the first beat of each measure), rather than also indicating the upbeat(s). The reasons one would do this is either that the piece is too rhythmically whimsical to support a rigid micromanaging of each beat by the conductor, or it is so fast that the conductor wishes to economize motion by only demarking the most essential beats. This process is referred to by (usually classical) musicians as "taking the piece (or the passage) 'in one'," and the reserve could be true also; sometimes a 2/2 piece which slows down at a specific moment will have a measure or two taken "in four" (i.e. as though half as fast) in order to more precisely demark the newly slower tempo.
    Again, if the above loses you, don't worry. This piece would clearly not have been conducted (nor would most rock songs), is not crazily whimsical or fast, and would have utterly no reason to be interpreted by the Weirdo Deluxe as muiscally "in one," unless they are using that term by their own unsanctioned definition.
    It is certainly possible that the title is a reference to the title or lyrics of another song (Cage the Elephant's "In One Ear", for example), so the song title could be broadly in reference to something in the music world. But it does not refer to a commonly accepted piece of musical jargon.

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    "I don't even have the luxury of listening to the multi-track for reference (how wonderfully easy it would be to listen to just the horns)."

    This is a quote from the journal on the website. Interesting how he references the pile of scrapped work. Could he be hinting that we need to listen to just the horns? It could make finding the key "wonderfully easy". Sure sounds like a hint to me.

    And I don't think it would be unlawful for him to have extra clues. All of the clues NEEDED to find the key are in the album. This doesn't mean he can't give out extra clues.

    If this has been brought up already, sorry.

    Let's listen to those horns!

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    Default Question on lyrics

    There are a couple words I am having trouble making out and I was wondering what the group thinks on these....

    WHERE THE BLUE MEETS THE BLUE

    Letís see what happens next
    What time does set into six (sad into sex?, sad into sax?)

    GOT TO FIND A WAY

    Out opposite of in
    Anytime you feel that you need to skid?
    You got to find a way

    Got to find your way clear of the insincere rollin down the hill thru the middle of the pier (beer)?


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    Heres what I have
    [What turns the seven (set) into six]

    [Any time you feel you need new skin]

    [middle of the pier]

    good luck

    steve


    Quote Originally Posted by MDC777 View Post
    There are a couple words I am having trouble making out and I was wondering what the group thinks on these....

    WHERE THE BLUE MEETS THE BLUE

    Letís see what happens next
    What time does set into six (sad into sex?, sad into sax?)

    GOT TO FIND A WAY

    Out opposite of in
    Anytime you feel that you need to skid?
    You got to find a way

    Got to find your way clear of the insincere rollin down the hill thru the middle of the pier (beer)?


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    Thanks.

    One more from Got to Find a Way...

    [FONT='Times New Roman','serif']Well I donít know
    Where weíll go
    By look for a (route? fruit?) even if a king or an earl or a duke

    [/FONT]

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    I had "We'll turn the set into sax" because that line is followed by a saxophone solo!

    Did anyone else have anything different?

    CZ

    Quote Originally Posted by stvwz View Post
    [What turns the seven (set) into six]

    [Any time you feel you need new skin]


    Quote Originally Posted by MDC777 View Post
    There are a couple words I am having trouble making out and I was wondering what the group thinks on these....

    WHERE THE BLUE MEETS THE BLUE

    Letís see what happens next
    What time does set into six (sad into sex?, sad into sax?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDC777 View Post
    Thanks.

    One more from Got to Find a Way...

    [FONT='Times New Roman','serif']Well I donít know [/font]
    [FONT='Times New Roman','serif']Where weíll go[/font]
    [FONT='Times New Roman','serif']By look for a (route? fruit?) even if a king or an earl or a duke[/font]
    I had "why look for a fluke, or a king......."

    What about "Tea bag tears evaporate with sun" on My Silver Key?

    s

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