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    The final resting place can't be too far to walk--how else would the author have 'walked back to his car' after hiding it?

    At that particular point in the directions, however....


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    Why do you say final resting place?
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    Erexere,

    I wasn't implying a cemetery--my apologies.

    My calendar is fairly full for the next couple of months, and I would very much like to see someone from these forums claim this treasure.

    Here's my take on it:

    You know he's a collector of Indian artifacts.

    I found this rummaging around on the internet in an angler's guide, no less:

    'Giusewa' is an old Indian name meaning 'place of boiling waters'. Here's the link:

    Jemez Springs, New Mexico Fishing

    Jemez Springs, NM. Here's a line-by-line possibility:

    1. Where warm waters halt: This key line means two different things.

    a. If Jemez Springs represents the 'warm waters', then 'where warm waters halt' is a clue where Jemez Springs stops--namely its town borders. For the hunt, it's specifically referring to its northern border. Googlemaps shows the outline of the town borders.
    b. At the northern border of town is 'where warm waters halt'--the Soda Dam formed by the hot springs in the area.

    Begin it where warm waters halt = begin at the Soda Dam outside Jemez Springs, NM.

    2. Take it in the canyon down: The Jemez River flows through a hole in the rock at Soda Dam and flows south through a narrow red rock canyon.

    3. Not far, but too far to walk: The road that parallels the river approximately a mile to the east is BRIDGE Rd. It's not far, but 'too far' to walk--you don't walk to it; it's a reference to 'A Bridge Too Far'.

    4. Put in below the home of Brown: Between the Jemez River and Bridge Rd lies the 'home of Brown': Mesa de las Casas. A big mesa, and 'casa' = 'home'---looks as if that could qualify as a 'Brown home'.

    'Put in below the home of Brown' implies a body of water, and sure enough, there's a river that runs a few hundred feet below the Mesa de las Casas. Here's the trick:

    It's a dried-up river bed.

    That's why there's no paddle up the creek. It's basically now a big path.

    5. From there it's no place for the meek, The end is ever drawing nigh: The end of this dried-up creek is also the end of our hunt.

    6. There'll be no paddle up your creek: the creek is dry.

    7. Just heavy loads and water high: The end of the dried up creek intersects the Jemez River. The 'heavy loads' are all the rocks in the dried up creek, and the 'water high' is the Jemez River.

    8. If you've been wise and found the blaze, look quickly down, your quest to cease: There will be a marked tree at this intersection.

    9. You effort will be worth the cold: The Jemez River appears extremely shallow and narrow here--I suspect you will have to step across to the other side to find the marked tree.

    I like it because it means the poem is basically a treasure map with an 'X' on it--the intersection of the dried-up creek with the 'wet' one. A play on words of 'Forest' and 'Fen'. The intersection is blessedly close to the highway.

    The clues are vague enough that many different, good interpretations can be found. These just flow together really well.

    However, he wanted people to get out in the wilderness, and one doesn't really have to for this. I managed to find all of this from home, and that's not what he intended.

    So, I really don't know.

    At the very least, I hope sharing all this will get some juices flowing for everyone else.

    Doc

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    I thought you uncovered some book related clue. I was thinking he buried it where he wants his final resting place to be. I'm bound to be confused since I'm not yet in possession of his book. Thanks for the clarification.
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    Doc,

    This location is west isn't the treasure supposed to be North?

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    There is another quote claiming Forrest said "more than 300 southwest of Toledo", although in the interviews, I have only heard him say "west", not "southwest" .

    The main link wwwForrestFenn.com doesn't appear to be working.

    Here's a sub-link

    The Thrill Resource Page | Old Santa Fe Trading Co

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    Mr. Fenn comes across as highly intelligent, and wily

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    Isn't there an old phrase "holy toledo!" From the old batman show? I can remember Boy Robin saying it. Adam West? A Dam West?
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    Mr. Fenn said "300 miles west of Toledo" does not mean due west or a bearing of exactly 270 degrees. In other words, anything west of a meridian line passing through Toledo is west of Toledo. You can assume the same is true for north of Santa Fe. Santa Fe's geographic coordinates are N35.6869, W105.9372 so any location with a latitude greater than 35.6869 degrees can be considered "north of Santa Fe". So Alaska and New York City are valid (though not in the Rocky Mountains). Jemez Springs' latitude is N35.7356.

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    Doc,

    I like your reasoning; very well thought out. However, the "house of Brown" thing has been bugging me since I first saw the poem. Since Fenn has had decades to construct the poem, I believe that every word in the poem is quite intentional. So the capitalized B in "Brown" leads me to think that we are looking for a very specific Brown... a town, a person, a named river,... something along those lines. My analysis and map search has yet to lead me to/near anything resembling "Brown" which also satisfies the other lines of the poem.

    I just thought of this: maybe there's a UPS facility nearby...
    I drank what?

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    runningboy,

    It bugs me as well. Trying to find the 'house of Brown' before finding 'where the warm waters halt' is probably what every person on the hunt has attempted, myself included, but its appearance several lines into the poem makes me think we won't understand its meaning until we've arrived at that part of the sequence.

    I like the cleverness of a UPS facility--I don't think that's necessarily correct, but I very much hope the final solution contains clever bits like that.

    Keep posting stuff like that, please. Helps keep the creative juices flowing.

    Doc

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