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    Hi,

    Its been a while since I looked at this hunt but having rediscovered the book I thought I'd have another bash at it so to start with .... here are the proverbs/idioms I've found:

    MOON PICTURE
    • LESS IS MORE - Simplicity and clarity lead to good design

    GREEKS PICTURE
    • IT'S ALL GREEK TO ME - expresses that something is not understandable
    • NEVER LOOK A GIFT HORSE IN THE MOUTH - Don't be ungrateful when you receive a gift
    • BEWARE GREEKS BEARING GIFTS - Don't trust your enemies

    ROMANS PICTURE
    • ALL ROADS LEAD TO ROME - different paths can take one to the same goal
    • WHEN IN ROME DO AS THE ROMANS DO - behave as those around do

    PLAGUE PICTURE
    • NO SMOKE WITHOUT FIRE - Gossip or actions are often substantiated by fact

    I've no idea what the relevance of these are (if any) but thought it might be useful to list them here.

    Is anyone else actively working on this hunt at the moment?

    Writerian

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    Hi Writerian,

    I come back to The Oracle every now and then. Recently spent a lot of time looking for the hidden meaning of the pictures. I think the pictures and the lies is the place to start. I think I understand most of them but not sure what to do now.

    Regards & good luck
    Xodiak

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    Hi,
    Yes I'm still working on it...have been for almost 3 years! I have to confess I have submitted over 100 solutions many of which have been extremely compelling, but no luck yet. I feel I've explored so many avenues and feel I'm running out of steam. Even after all this time I'm still not even sure of the format of the answer. Is it a grid reference, co-ordinates, a phone number to ring, a string of numbers that opens a secret web page...who knows! The master riddle seems to say that the answer is 10 digits. Do you agree with this line of thinking.
    Also for your reference we can no post our answers directly onto the oracle website click on the following link and you'll see what I mean...

    ww.oraclebook.net/7101/index.html?cc=0.3071026839315891&sort=byuploaddate &limit=9&offset=0&action=details&mediaId=3400d441b bacd3c94b938286bfe26d4585a0#albumstart

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    Hi Truthfinder,

    Based on one of the clues I've found I'm fairly sure we are looking for a map related co-ordinates rather than a phone number or a string of numbers that opens a web page.

    As for the master riddle:

    "Numbers spinning round, I am the final six
    But you must find the four before in order that I fix
    "

    I agree it does suggest that we are looking for a 10-digit number so a grid reference which would be viable.

    Writerian

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    Hi Writerian,
    Almost all the answers I have come up with so far have been grid references. A 10 digit grid reference will describe an area 1 metre square, so it's pretty accurate. What worries me is that Pete Wilder published an incorrect solution on The Oracle forum page recently "to show how some people have been thinking" and it certainly seemed he was trying to give us a clue as to the direction to move in. The paragraph talked about "a secret safe (and sound)" and implied that letters and words where somehow derived from the frames to describe the location. So if that is the case the words locate the "secret safe" and the 10 digits are the combination to that safe. I really hope that this is not the case as it would mean I've spent 3 years pursuing the wrong thing! I'm pleased that you too have concluded that the solution is map related and gives me a little hope that I'm moving in the right direction.

    On a separate note what do you make of the unusual bar with the tick at the bottom of each page of the website? To me it looks like a sentence has to be generated that fits this layout... 7 words long.... 1 letter, 5 letters, 2 letters, 5 letters, 5 letters, 5 letters, 4 letters.

    All the best
    TF

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    Hi Writerian & Truthfinder,

    It's good to see you guys discussing The Oracle and that I'm not the only one working on this!

    I've often wondered about the unusual image on the book's website, of what appears to be letter placeholders and a tick. When I saw Truthfinder's comment on this today I did a bit of investigation and am happy to say I have solved it (the graphic not The Oracle!). The image is part of what must be a website building template. If you take a look at this website (architecturalsurveying.com) you will see the same template in use and the exact same image with the tick. So we can safely disregard that as not part of the hunt.

    As for my current thinking on the hunt...

    I was sure we're looking for a 10 digit grid reference but the author has confused me by posting that solution on his website to share other people's thought processes. I really don't follow their solution at all and I too am wondering if all my work so far has been in the wrong direction. My thinking is that the 11 pictures (minus the red herring page) will give a 10 digit grid reference - if this is true we also need a two letter prefix, so far I've only found the reference to T and V controls but am not confident that is correct.

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    Hi X
    Glad to see you're still working on this. Thank you so much for posting the fact that the website "bar" is from a web template...that is extremely useful to know and has saved me a load of worry trying to find words and phrases to fit! It does look like the clock face was added so maybe this is a clue, but who knows. It might be just another bit of web design.
    I'm still pretty certain the solution is a grid reference and am going to continue along this line of thinking. Like you I just don't follow what that incorrect solution is talking about...it sort of appears to be a clue but then maybe Pete Wilder is just trying to stimulate some discussion. I'm going to presume that's the case...and ignore it!
    Good luck with the hunt.
    All the best
    TF

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    Hi Truthfinder,
    Thought I’d add a post to say that I am still working on this. As per our earlier discussion the incorrect solution that the author posted still worries me, “church that is important, etc, etc” as I have no idea where all those clues are and their approach is totally different to my current work. I’m still progressing down the 10 digit grid reference route. Have revised my thinking on a couple of the picture lies but still feel I am making progress. One thing that concerns me is that there is so much you can read into each picture and therefore it’s hard to know what is the “hidden meaning” that the author intended.
    I noticed that the author mentioned pinpointing the location to the nearest 1 sq metre in one of his replies on the book’s website. That sort of supports a 10 digit grid reference solution but there again who knows…
    By the way, are you MP who has been active on the book’s website forum?
    Regards
    Xodiak

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    Hi X,
    Glad to see you still hanging in there on this one!
    I love this puzzle... you could say I'm a bit obsessed by it, I just feel that I have spent so much time on it that I know it inside out. I have a feel for how it's constructed and how it can be solved. I believe that I understand all the clues (except the big bang one!!!) and can consistently generate what I think are good strong possible solutions but still haven't found THE solution. On some days I'm convinced I have the right answer and on other days I feel I'm still at square one! The fact that not many people are working on this makes me want to solve it even more as I feel I have a real chance of success. Next year is the 10th anniversary since the puzzle was published...10 years!!!!! This desperately needs to be solved!!!! It's nice to have regular clues but I crave a clear confirmation that my thinking is correct or even incorrect. It has everything that a good puzzle needs....BUT I AM SO FRUSTRATED WITH IT AT THE MOMENT!!!!
    Yes I'm MP... and for every post I make there are 20 I don't! I wish there was some way that the location confirms itself...maybe there is... I wish I had some sort of confirmation that my thinking is moving in the right direction.....Arggggggggggh!
    I have no problem generating potential solutions...maybe my problem is that I generate too many!!!
    TF

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    Hi
    Yeah, I feel much the same. I've definitely made some progress (unless I'm just finding red herrings) and my progress sort of follows the author's description that finding the solution will be like breaking down a brick wall. The problem with looking for a map reference (assuming that is what we are supposed to be doing) is that you might have got most of it correct but still be looking on the wrong side of the country!! Or you might have got most of it incorrect and think you have got it correct. There's probably no way of telling how close you are unless you happen to find the token.
    Good luck, and try not to get too obsessed
    Xodiak

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