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    Then Ron is obviously telling me lies.

    Two of my comments were deleted. The first asked why the prize had been switched and the second asked why comments were being deleted - neither were threatening or abusive.

    When I initially e-mailed him he sent four or five replies saying he didn't have time to respond to my questions by e-mail but that he would happily spend the time talking about it on the phone. It was only when I pushed for a response that he told me about the Facebook page being locked for everyone.

    I find his behaviour very strange and it also makes me think the hunt is near its end.

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    As long as Mr. Shore has that golden eagle, owns it outright and has not leveraged it financially, he has plenty of funds. He needs to be realistic about its true worth. It is absolutely not worth the artistic value he has on it. At Sotheby's auction, the buyer pays all commision costs. I am sure it would command a minimum of $3 Million.

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    I am fairly certain that the last thing Ron wants is for the Chapters to be solved in "short order". That's the reason they are FB dependent, so he can control the timing and make sure there is a prize to be awarded. We'll see in the long run. Doc I wish you the best, keep us updated.

    On another front, FB page is not locked to anyone who has not asked any awkward questions. As long as the comments worship Ron, you're welcome to keep up the good work.

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    First, let me say hello to all of you since this is the very first post I have actually been able to make on this site, unaided. I have commented over on the tweleve facebook page and one of your membership -- Puma Lion -- was good enough to post my very long message here a few days ago. (The one mentioning that I was blocked after openly questioning the validity of this hunt and asking for a yes or no on the subject of future prize availability. I also posted the name and address of the Fort Langley Studio where the 3 eagles are for sale.) The bugs that kept me out of this site have finally been worked out, so I can speak freely without all that rigmarole now. Which is good because I have an important update for all of you.

    The day I posted that lengthy message extolling everyone to "shout out" their dissension on the WGTH facebook page and let everyone know that some of us were being blocked and negative messages deleted (by the way that seemed to work, since I see most of you were also blocked and your messages deleted en masse -- ) I got a phone call from Ron Shore.

    Nearly 3 hours on the phone hashing out grievances, we came to a kind of truce. I can not divulge the precise nature of our conversation without violating confidences, however, part of what we decided was that he, Ron, should reinstate those of us he blocked, ASAP. I made it very clear that I did not appreciate the censorship, and by the end of our conversation, I was under the impression that he had agreed to unblock us as soon as he could get to it. Considering what a simple thing it is to do, I feel that the nearly 4 days he has had in which to accomplish it would be sufficient, yet we remain blocked.

    It is because of that continued block that I am contacting all of you. Ron had asked me to give him some time to finish setting up the arrangements for the award of the 4th eagle to Annika in Phoenix, and I agreed that I would keep a quiet wait and see attitude for awhile. Without divulging details about our conversation, I must say that I am disappointed in his continued silence over the legitimate questions we asked before the BIG BLOCK. Those should have been specifically addressed by now. However, what concerns me even more is that while we continue voiceless, he is allowing the worshipful crowd to piously throw rocks at us while our hands are tied behind our backs. In my opinion, that is a cowardly act and one I won't tolerate -- regardless of the state of this hunt.

    If the block were universal -- a hold on the site, entire -- then I could tolerate waiting quietly for him to speak. As it is, he is allowing all the self-righteous sycophants among the questors to sling mud at any who dare question the integrity and continued viability of this "treasure hunt"; while maintaining the block on all who dare to ask questions. The sad thing is that if he only would, he easily could put this whole controversy to rest. Instead he is single-handedly creating a schism in the rank and file by giving his little "Rongod-clique" full leave to call us names and impugn our integrity while enforcing a gag-order on any rebuttals.

    Since I cannot say this on the WGTH fb page, I am saying it here and I hope Ron is monitoring. Ron -- you are working against yourself and the future of this enterprise by surrounding yourself with only those people who bow and scape to you and tell you what you want to hear. Dissent is not divisive -- it encourages the truth and ultimately works to bring us together. YOU WANT ALL THE PEOPLE YOU CAN GET ON YOUR SIDE IF YOU REALLY CARE ABOUT RAISING FUNDS FOR CANCER RESEARCH OR MAKING THIS HUNT WORK OUT. If you continue allowing your clique to label the rest of us as greedy treasure hunters who only care about the money and don't care about this cause, you will be doing irreparable damage to the very cause you claim to support. Why would you do that?

    STOP beating around the bush and speak. Don't listen to your advisers -- When all your advisers and supporters are "Yes Men" all you will ever hear is "yes", even when your life (or the life of this hunt) may depend upon hearing NO. You need to open up NOW and let people know what is going on. If you don't, (regardless of how busy you are) this hunt is DOA. Period.

    All of you here can read into that what you will -- it may soon become clear, or it may not. However, I urge all of you to put a full stop on purchasing books, donating (through this hunt only, of course) or spreading the word about this hunt UNTIL he opens up and tells all of you what you deserve to know, and reinstates equal right of free speech to ALL of the people who invested time and money in this hunt.

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    All I can say to Harobed is we had the same call with Ron, and for me, the business of violating confidences is on the clock. If by Sunday he has not lived up to his promises to me, all bets are off. Among other things, he said he would contact the Ft. Langley Studio and have them remove the Chapter 5 prize from their sale catalog. Not done. He acts as though being in Phoenix is like being on Mars. He has an iPhone, he has time to call individuals and try to smooth them over, he should have time to tell the truth.

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    If Mr. Shore had 3 hours to talk to a questor, then he has ample time to arrange the Phoenix hunt and get clues out in a timely manner.

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    Does anyone else find it highly inappropriate for the author to be having 3 hour long conversations with questers? It also appears, based on the Facebook page and previous posts on here, that he has had phone conversations with many questers. Should information about the hunt not be shared with the masses? I would like to know why some questers are given information while others are left in the dark?
    Also, aligning himself with a charity is, without a doubt, the smartest thing Ron has done in relation to this hunt. It seems that many are willing to overlook serious flaws because it is “for a good cause.” This is interesting since, as others have mentioned, it is the net proceeds that will be donated. We’ll have to wait and see just how much, if ANY, that will be. If you want to see your money go to a charity you will be better off just donating it there in the first place and then playing a contest that is better run. I support a number of charities both with my money and my time. I hate it when people use charities as a marketing tool and then drop the ball. It only works out when it can be a win-win situation. I guess it is a good thing that the charity is run by Ron himself. Any major breast cancer charity would be embarrassed to be linked to this disaster. The book had so much potential and that is why I bought it. It has been mismanaged from day-one and gone down hill from there. I have enjoyed a number of the puzzles, but the overall running of the hunt is nothing but disappointing.
    Ron being a "nice guy" or "well-meaning" is irrelevant. This is a business. He sold a product and that product is defective.

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    Caffeine,

    You are right about all you say. I will say that our discussion included nothing about solutions or the structure of the hunt beyond my giving him my opinion on that. Which is that I find it boring and idiotic to look for letters based on FB clues. And that the LEAST he could do is set a time for clues and stick to it, or announce why and to proofread the damn things and not type them in on a phone. Almost all the rest of it revolved around the more recent issues.

    However, that said. It is inappropriate. And you're right, it IS business whether people want to admit it or not.

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    I am still having a tough time understanding all the negativism being poured onto this forum by a few people. Nobody is making anyone continue on the hunt. You can quit at anytime and move on. It just seems that there a few people who have this "if I can't win an eagle, then I don't want anybody to win" attitude. Are you trying to force Ron to just close down the hunt? Grow up!! Act like adults instead of children.


    So what if the eagle on this chapter is bronze. Try to get your silver eagle on the next chapter. After all, the rules state ' ... the limit is one 'silver' eagle.'


    The way these few outspoken rabble-rousers are behaving and some of the statements being made is hinging of bullying. This is disheartening, and shame on those that are being swayed to jump on the bandwagon and support this behavior.


    I know that I will be crucified for this post, but I could not sit back any longer.

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    Bookworm,
    I completely understand your comments. I have moved on. To Endgame and it is challenging and fun. Yeah, and $500,000 worth of gold if you solve it. I know it won't be me, but I am enjoying the book and the journey.
    I think people on here have questions that refuse to be answered or addressed. It cannot be good when Ron is personally calling questors to discuss issues. Why was the prize changed? Why is the new eagle still listed for sale? Are there any silver eagles left? The eagle designer is out of business. This is for charity and after 5 years has anything actually gone to Hunt For The Cure foundation?
    If Ron needs help financially and needs to make some changes, just tell us. Most of us will understand. But you cannot hide and shut down open communication on your Facebook site when you are in the middle of a PR nightmare.

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